Well, a pie chart would be nice...

It would seem that Mahoney is respected at the club. He was replaced as forward coach but retained in the football department. It must be the perception that he is a quality football person with a lot to offer. I think that is the most productive approach to getting a great team together. Use the best people in the roles that suit them best.

It would seem that Mahoney is respected at the club. He was replaced as forward coach but retained in the football department. It must be the perception that he is a quality football person with a lot to offer. I think that is the most productive approach to getting a great team together. Use the best people in the roles that suit them best.

Yeah that or he was still contracted (unsure about this).

Fair call. But surely he takes some of the blame for our forwards' inability to hold their positions/structures. And surely he takes the blame for some of our forwards' lack of development (e.g. Newton, Miller, Dunn, Bate). Of course, so does Bailey, and the midfield is also to blame. But one statistic does not validate his performance, even if it does give him something to hold his hat on.

Maybe Newton, Miller, Dunn and Bate have reached the zenith of their football ability. Miller is honest but limited and was so under a number of coaches. By the time Mahoney got to coach Newton he already had big question marks in core areas. Dunn and Bate have underperformed or performed to their ceiling under a number of coaches.

Mahoney had an uphill battle given the lack of mature forward talent and an incredibly young side to have an effective forward.

It beat me how posters can make definitive judgements on the performance of assistant coaches when they would not have a clue as to their actual role input, responsibiilties and accountabilities.

Maybe Newton, Miller, Dunn and Bate have reached the zenith of their football ability. Miller is honest but limited and was so under a number of coaches. By the time Mahoney got to coach Newton he already had big question marks in core areas. Dunn and Bate have underperformed or performed to their ceiling under a number of coaches.

Mahoney had an uphill battle given the lack of mature forward talent and an incredibly young side to have an effective forward.

It beat me how posters can make definitive judgements on the performance of assistant coaches when they would not have a clue as to their actual role input, responsibiilties and accountabilities.

Agree RR I have no idea how good our coaching staff were in 2011.

I suspect that JC could not have done much better with our playing list in 2011.

It probably boils down to the head coaches directives.

The coaching panel can be removed, it is not so easy to make wholesale changes to the playing list.

Yes, we had a dud list.

No, that does not mean that Mahoney and West get excused from our bad performances.

If Bailey (rightly) copped blame, I fail to see how assistant coaches are absolved.

Nasher, don't be facetious. What did you want me to do, apportion numbers detailing the proportion of blame spread around? I was merely addressing someone else's view that Mahoney had actually been a decent coach because our conversion rate once inside 50 was good. That statistic may well reveal that he did some good work, but I don't think that's enough to say Mahoney was a good coach. I think there are plenty of areas we can improve on in our forward line and some of the fact that our forward line isn't terribly good at the moment stems in part from Mahoney.

To say that the lack of improvement in our forwards is solely due to their crappiness lets coaches off the hook. No doubt he was dealt a crap hand. But surely part of a coach's job is to develop players, whether they're the cream of the crop or the worst on the list. The fact that we had/have forwards on our list who haven't developed a lot cannot be solely the players' fault. No one expected players like Newton or Dunn to be the next Franklin/Johnson. But to at least see some development in our forward players over the past few years would have been nice, and the fact we haven't had that surely lies in part with Mahoney's drawbacks as a coach.

For the record, I never said he was a good coach, just that I didn't understand why everyone thought he was a dud. The FD obviously thought he was doing something right, or he wouldn't have had his contract renewed, and thus wouldn't be under contract for this year.

To be honest, I wouldn't have the foggiest if he's a good coach or not, because I'm not a forward for the MFC.