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[Macca 17,016]

Just now, Dappa Dan said:

Still. Manful performance. Hundley particularly.

Oh yeah ... but I'm still thinking about not having a chance at winning the SB. 

Consolation prizes mean absolutely nothing to me. 

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1 minute ago, Macca said:

Oh yeah ... but I'm still thinking about not having a chance at winning the SB. 

Consolation prizes mean absolutely nothing to me. 

Yeah fair enough

[Macca 17,016]

46 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Yeah fair enough

Big win by the Rams ... they needed to bounce back and they did so. 

And KC losing opens up the race for that division ... Chargers look likely but Oakland are right in it too.  The Bills are back in a wild-card spot after today's win.

Jags losing was costly for a few tipsters here ... we're running out of weeks to catch Clint.  It's time for some creative tipping with 2 points on offer for week 13. 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Macca said:

Big win by the Rams ... they needed to bounce back and they did so. 

And KC losing opens up the race for that division ... Chargers look likely but Oakland are right in it too.  The Bills are back in a wild-card spot after today's win.

Jags losing was costly for a few tipsters here ... we're running out of weeks to catch Clint.  It's time for some creative tipping with 2 points on offer for week 13. 

 

 

Clint gonna be super hard to beat from here.

Rams were so good. Saints are a really good side, and from what I saw they were playing well. Goof just keeps on keeping on. Little bit scared of them now.

[Macca 17,016]

1 hour ago, Dappa Dan said:

Clint gonna be super hard to beat from here.

Rams were so good. Saints are a really good side, and from what I saw they were playing well. Goff just keeps on keeping on. Little bit scared of them now.

December in the NFL is the best month (apart from the playoffs) ... there are any number of mini-finals and/or elimination games to focus on. 

Tomorrow's game is a big one for Baltimore ... then next week we've got about 5 mini-finals and another 5 games where one of the teams involved needs to win to stay in the race,  strengthen their position or hold their position.  Every week thereafter tells the same story.

There are no other sporting leagues where this is the case ... in many sports the fans are by this stage hanging out for finals/playoffs. Week 13 games

Leaderboard in the comp

10 - Clintosaurus

7 - Go the Biff

6 - Dappa Dan

5 - Macca

4 - JV7

2 - Gorgoroth

0 - The usual suspects

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20 minutes ago, Macca said:

December in the NFL is the best month (apart from the playoffs) ... there are any number of mini-finals and/or elimination games to focus on. 

Tomorrow's game is a big one for Baltimore ... then next week we've got about 5 mini-finals and another 5 games where one of the teams involved needs to win to stay in the race,  strengthen their position or hold their position.  Every week thereafter tells the same story.

There are no other sporting leagues where this is the case ... in many sports the fans are by this stage hanging out for finals/playoffs. Week 13 games

Leaderboard in the comp

10 - Clintosaurus

7 - Go the Biff

6 - Dappa Dan

5 - Macca

4 - JV7

2 - Gorgoroth

0 - The usual suspects

I'm gonna see what odds I can get at TAB for Clint to win the comp.

[Gorgoroth 12,975]

Rams for the win!!!

Was massive to beat a good side in ripping form and we lead all game pretty much. 

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5 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Rams for the win!!!

Was massive to beat a good side in ripping form and we lead all game pretty much. 

You neglected to mention the tie breaker you have now with them. After a loss, Rams were supposed to fall by the wayside. Instead, here we are, still none the wiser about what the hell is happening in the NFC. Eagles only need one loss to fall back into the playoffs more with Vikes, Rams, Saints etc etc...

As a die hard I'm looking around at who can hold back the Eagles. With a 1 game lead, it has to come from one of the last 5 opponents. I'll put a line through Giants and Raiders for now, on form... Seattle with their injuries should be beatable. Dallas in week 17 might have given up the fight, or might not even be a live game... That leaves your dreaded Rams...

So here we are comparing a top-flight Goff outfit to a top-flight Wentz outfit. We're going to have to do this again and again as the years roll by, and as the lists are overhauled every couple of years, as they are in the NFL. I could go into more detail with Defensive coordinators, offensive schemes, away form etc... but the way I see it is simple. Vikings scare me because of how organised they are, but they have a QB that I'm not sure about. Seattle have injuries. New Orleans have been beaten, and I'm not sure their D is as outstanding as it has been in recent weeks... But the Rams...

The Eagles have got a lot out of a QB with one or two accuracy problems who has been in outrageously good form behind a dominant O line. What makes the difference for them though is that the defense (run D particularly) is making life veeeery comfortable for the offense, Giving them heaps of opportunities (=2nd in give-take turnover stat). Why do the Rams worry me?

- O lines are comparable.

- D lines are comparable. Donald might be the best in the league. Cox not far behind.

- Receivers are multi faceted, if not out-and-out stars. Watkins = Jefferey. Kupp = Agholor. Ertz = Woods.

- QBs are evenly matched I think. Wentz on the move has an advantage. Goff's arm accuracy is slightly ahead.

So what's the difference? Not much. That's what worries me. Rams are good in all the areas Eagles are good. I get the feeling Blount, Ajayi, Clement and Smallwood vs Gurley and Austin could decide it. If Gurley can break the Eagles impenetrable run D... then they might have the edge. 

[Clintosaurus 7,852]

Still can't work out why the Jags called a passing play on second down with 30 seconds left. Run the ball and go to OT. It's not that hard.

[Gorgoroth 12,975]

6 hours ago, Dappa Dan said:

 

So what's the difference? Not much. That's what worries me. Rams are good in all the areas Eagles are good. I get the feeling Blount, Ajayi, Clement and Smallwood vs Gurley and Austin could decide it. If Gurley can break the Eagles impenetrable run D... then they might have the edge. 

Woods prob doesnt play vs you guys.

Our secondary is weaker than yours I feel.  Vs the Vikings we couldn't get to the qb. So we struggled. Interesting to see if we can pressure wentz enough to help or secondary. 

Might come down to special teams ?

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4 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Woods prob doesnt play vs you guys.

Our secondary is weaker than yours I feel.  Vs the Vikings we couldn't get to the qb. So we struggled. Interesting to see if we can pressure wentz enough to help or secondary. 

Might come down to special teams ?

I feel like Eagles secondary gets helped a lot by other things... like time of possession, and how Wentz controls the clock and hasn't turned the ball over much. And obviously they get their picks because the front 7 put so much pressure on the QB. Rams are a different animal, with so many options, including a pass catching RB. Something Eagles haven't countered well... Also the secondary, outside of Jenkins, is all no-names. As many have pointed out, they've only played two teams with winning records, and lost to one of them. In a couple of weeks, we'll learn a lot about Philly. Rams I think we're seeing what they are already. They've seen through a lot of tests.

[Macca 17,016]

Zay Jones with some fancy footwork ...

 

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

WTF?!!!

[Macca 17,016]

2 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

WTF?!!!

Weird hey?

Scott van Pelt opened his hour of Sportscenter with the clip

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2 minutes ago, Macca said:

Weird hey?

Scott van Pelt opened his hour of Sportscenter with the clip

Just looks fake. Like they reversed the video for a second.

[Macca 17,016]

Just now, Dappa Dan said:

Just looks fake. Like they reversed the video for a second.

On Sportscenter Van Pelt was dumbfounded and he emphasised that the clip hasn't been doctored.  We'll probably get the logical answer soon enough - unless there isn't one!

Bills receiver casually broke out a Michael Jackson dance move to get back to his feet

[Macca 17,016]

Leaderboard in the comp

10 - Clintosaurus

7 - Go the Biff

6 - Dappa Dan

5 - Macca

4 - JV7

2 - Gorgoroth

0 - The usual suspects

2 big points on offer this week and a good line up of games on offer as well ... Vikes @ Falcons,  Lions @ Ravens,  Pats @ Bills,  Panthers @ Saints and the Eagles @ Seattle stand out.  As well as that there are some danger games for KC,  the Rams & Pittsburgh. 

Good luck with your tips!

Guess the Lines Week 13 With Cousin Sal Podcast

 

[Macca 17,016]

In other news ...

Eli Manning embraced New York, and New York loved him back -- until it didn't

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He was nearly run out of town before he delivered the biggest victory in franchise history, the Super Bowl XLII triumph over the 18-0 Patriots. After Eli beat Brady and Belichick in a second Super Bowl four years later, Giants owner John Mara said the quarterback will go down as the team's all-time greatest offensive player.

Eli will survive, and he might even thrive for another team. But even if he doesn't have another postseason run in his right arm, he has already done enough. He made a lot of noise in New York without ever raising his voice.

 

[Gorgoroth 12,975]

Talk of him to Jags. I think Jags can do better.

[Macca 17,016]

17 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Talk of him to Jags. I think Jags can do better.

He's a pocket passer with very little protection since McAdoo arrived ... he'll find another home as he's a QB in that 15th - 25th best range.  But it's watch-this-space anyway - anything could happen at the Giants with regards to their coaching and their GM. 

My guess would be that Eli will eventually end up elsewhere as a starter ... somewhere in the AFC?

Eight teams that Eli Manning could play for in 2018

 

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2017 by Macca

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

1 hour ago, Macca said:

He's a pocket passer with very little protection since McAdoo arrived ... he'll find another home as he's a QB in that 15th - 25th best range.  But it's watch-this-space anyway - anything could happen at the Giants with regards to their coaching and their GM. 

My guess would be that Eli will eventually end up elsewhere as a starter ... somewhere in the AFC?

Eight teams that Eli Manning could play for in 2018

Jags only because of the Coughlin thing. I don't reckon he'd be too much of a massive upgrade on Bortles. They might think about it if they can get something good for Bortles, a la the Bradford trade when Eagles got Wentz.

So Giants to take a QB in the draft... But which one will be competing against Dak and Carson (and Cousins maybe?) for the next ten years?

[Macca 17,016]

35 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Jags only because of the Coughlin thing. I don't reckon he'd be too much of a massive upgrade on Bortles. They might think about it if they can get something good for Bortles, a la the Bradford trade when Eagles got Wentz.

So Giants to take a QB in the draft... But which one will be competing against Dak and Carson (and Cousins maybe?) for the next ten years?

I disagree Dappa ... but I've always been an Eli fan.  A severely underappreciated 'big-occasion' player.  He's never been consistently good but he's often been great.  Many QB's never even reach the 'good' status. 

Luck plays no real part in one SB win but Eli got 2.  The only credit he ever seems to get are back-handed compliments

The Giants offensive line of late has been beyond putrid and for a pocket passer like Eli,  that's a recipe for disaster.  McAdoo is a terrible head coach - the sooner they are rid of him the better.  Let's be honest here,  for the fans of the other 3 teams in the NFC East,  they'd be hoping that McAdoo stays on for as long as possible.

Eli is a lot better than a number of starting QB's right now ... Bortles included.  The Jags should make a play for him now as their window is opening up.  No time like the present.  Denver,  the Jets & Buffalo are other likely destinations for the 2-time MVP Super Bowl winning Eli.

This won't go the same route as what it has for Kaepernick.  There's 5 teams in the AFC alone that need a decent QB.  And at the rate that QB's are being injured in the league,  Eli would be looked upon as super-resilient.  He doesn't miss games.  He just needs a decent coach. 

Edited November 29, 2017 by Macca

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15 minutes ago, Macca said:

I disagree Dappa ... but I've always been an Eli fan.  A severely underappreciated 'big-occasion' player.  He's never been consistently good but he's often been great.  Many QB's never even reach the 'good' status. 

Luck plays no real part in one SB win but Eli got 2.  The only credit he ever seems to get are back-handed compliments

The Giants offensive line of late has been beyond putrid and for a pocket passer like Eli,  that's a recipe for disaster.  McAdoo is a terrible head coach - the sooner they are rid of him the better.  Let's be honest here,  for the fans of the other 3 teams in the NFC East,  they'd be hoping that McAdoo stays on for as long as possible.

Eli is a lot better than a number of starting QB's right now ... Bortles included.  The Jags should make a play for him now as their window is opening up.  No time like the present.  Denver,  the Jets & Buffalo are other likely destinations for the 2-time MVP Super Bowl winning Eli.

This won't go the same route as what it has for Kaepernick.  There's 5 teams in the AFC alone that need a decent QB.  And at the rate that QB's are being injured in the league,  Eli would be looked upon as super-resilient.  He doesn't miss games.  He just needs a decent coach. 

Yeah I didn't mean to sound like an Eli hater. He looked fine when he had a single super WR to throw to only a month or two ago...

What I mean is just the time factor. He turns 37 in a couple of months... so using Peyton as a guide, he has a couple of good seasons left and then would fall away steeply. (Peyton might be different as he was massively banged up, but still...)

So the argument then becomes what are you losing Bortles for and what are you gaining. Eli for a couple of years to contend, then you have to go look for someone again? Maybe that's what they'll do. It certainly worked for Broncos when their D was winning them games. JAX should and probably do rate their D that highly... So there might be something in your suggestion. I also reckon Smith would go great at JAX as well, btw.

As for NFC East fans... we went from liking that McAdoo was there to just being resigned to the fact now that he has 5 games left, maximum. He's done. Frankly, I've always felt the same about Garrett. MInd you... I had no time for Dougie P either, and look how that turned out. maybe I'm just negative.

Edited November 29, 2017 by Dappa Dan

[Macca 17,016]

1 minute ago, Dappa Dan said:

Yeah I didn't mean to sound like an Eli hater. He looked fine when he had a single super WR to throw to only a month or two ago...

What I mean is just the time factor. He turns 37 in a couple of months... so using Peyton as a guide, he has a couple of good seasons left and then would fall away steeply. (Peyton might be different as he was massively banged up, but still...)

So the argument then becomes what are you losing Bortles for and what are you gaining. Eli for a couple of years to contend, then you have to go look for someone again? Maybe that's what they'll do. It certainly worked for Broncos when their D was winning them games. JAX should and probably do rate their D that highly... So there might be something in your suggestion. I also reckon Smith would go great at JAX as well, btw.

As for NFC East fans... we went from liking that he was there to just being resigned to the fact now that he has 5 games left, maximum. He's done. 

It's about winning right-now in this league .... that whole build,  build,  build for the future is old-hat for any number of big overseas sporting teams. 

The Jags almost certainly won't be winning a SB with Bortles nor will Buffalo,  Denver,  the Jets,  Miami,  Cleveland and a number of other teams with their stating QBs. 

Eli has currency even if it's just for a few years ... again, it's a win 'now' league. Soccer works the same way.  NBA less so but veteran top players are still in high demand. 

But the argument still rests with the Giants offensive line - they leak like a sieve and Eli is not Cam Newton or Russell Wilson.  And they have a woeful head coach who is clueless. 

He threw Eli under the bus earlier in the season and refuses to take responsibility for his team's poor output - it's always someone else's fault with McAdoo - the cynic in me sees a bloke aiming for his pay-out.

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7 minutes ago, Macca said:

It's about winning right-now in this league .... that whole build,  build,  build for the future is old-hat for any number of big overseas sporting teams. 

The Jags almost certainly won't be winning a SB with Bortles nor will Buffalo,  Denver,  the Jets,  Miami,  Cleveland and a number of other teams with their stating QBs. 

Eli has currency even if it's just for a few years ... again, it's a win 'now' league. Soccer works the same way.  NBA less so but veteran top players are still in high demand. 

But the argument still rests with the Giants offensive line - they leak like a sieve and Eli is not Cam Newton or Russell Wilson.  And they have a woeful head coach who is clueless. 

He threw Eli under the bus earlier in the season and refuses to take responsibility for his team's poor output - it's always someone else's fault with McAdoo - the cynic in me sees a bloke aiming for his pay-out.

Or aiming to maintain some dignity as he's kicked out of NYC.

Yeah. NFL is a three year rebuild league. No reason to take the MFC approach to list building. The trouble with that logic is that these other sides who are close, and some that are miles away like the Browns certainly COULD benefit and "win now." But if they could, why can't Giants? I always thought why not do the Favre>Rodgers thing of letting your first round pick QB settle in for a couple of years behind the beloved veteran. In fact I always assumed that's exactly what they'd do next year. Surely Geno Smith is a known quantity...