DEES IN NO RUSH

[jayceebee31 759]

Article is highlighting what we have already been told, time again and again. No mention of Tapscott whom I believe would be near favourite to be the first to strip with the Dees.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tab...80/default.aspx

Edited January 22, 2010 by jayceebee31

[Jaded No More 68,867]

I had no idea Scully had a fractured patella.

I notice a few people were commenting on his kicking at training, but given I'm in the midst of recovering from the same injury, it will definitely take him some time to get back into the swing of things.

After just 2 weeks I have lost a huge amount of muscle mass and can't lift or bend my leg at all. It's a painfully slow recovery process.

[Sir Why You Little 36,963]

Its Just Great That Scott West is now Full Time on the coaching Panel.

Keep inspiring all those players Jimma, just like the rest of us.....

[jayceebee31 759]

I had no idea Scully had a fractured patella.

I notice a few people were commenting on his kicking at training, but given I'm in the midst of recovering from the same injury, it will definitely take him some time to get back into the swing of things.

After just 2 weeks I have lost a huge amount of muscle mass and can't lift or bend my leg at all. It's a painfully slow recovery process.

Scully did the injury back on the September 07, 2009 and I would have thought he has had enough recovery time and surely being our No1 recruit the medical staff would have ensured this.However, a speedy recovery personally .

[Jaded No More 68,867]

Scully did the injury back on the September 07, 2009 and I would have thought he has had enough recovery time and surely being our No1 recruit the medical staff would have ensured this.However, a speedy recovery personally .

I was told it would take me about 6 months before I have 100% mobility in my knee.

Of course I'm no footballer and nobody is paying me to have 3 physio sessions a day

[Hulett Packard III 166]

There's a dilemma here and that is that you need to blood players as well as to win games. This approach is the right one because it enables a good balance to be achieved and our young players learn that a place in the team needs to be earned by showing that you have the ability and a willingness to learn out on the training track. Having said that, it's clear that Scully and Trengove are going to be pretty close come the start of the season.

The good feature of the NAB Cup which could allow our youngsters to get an introduction (if they're ready) is that the pressure is not as great and the additional interchanges enable clubs to give them a bit of a "sighter" at a higher level.

Despite what West is saying we can expect at least a glimpse of our new blood next month.

[jayceebee31 759]

There's a dilemma here and that is that you need to blood players as well as to win games. This approach is the right one because it enables a good balance to be achieved and our young players learn that a place in the team needs to be earned by showing that you have the ability and a willingness to learn out on the training track. Having said that, it's clear that Scully and Trengove are going to be pretty close come the start of the season.

The good feature of the NAB Cup which could allow our youngsters to get an introduction (if they're ready) is that the pressure is not as great and the additional interchanges enable clubs to give them a bit of a "sighter" at a higher level.

Despite what West is saying we can expect at least a glimpse of our new blood next month.

Maybe playing the core of young players together at Casey first could be the best initially.Let these young ones being the likes of Jetta, Blease, Strauss, Fitzpatrick, Gawn-when fit and able, Scully, Trengove, Gysberts, Tapscott,along with McNamara, Spencer, McKenzie and maybe even Watts could all grow with confidence within and each other.

[Adzman 2,154]

We have so many young guys that need games under their belt that the most recent draftees can wait. Blease, Straus, Watts and Bail have been on the list for 12 months longer and should be the guys we look to start playing a few more games. Scully & co might take a bit longer (Although I can see Trengove getting a strip round one, there is just something about him!)

Soo many kids with only a handful of spots.

Would love to see as many as possible get themselves right for the NAB cup, just to give us a small glimpse of what the future holds.

[Viney Vidi Vici 145]

At training, at least on Friday, saw Scott West having a big input into training, running actual drills more than Bailey I think. I think he's a good guy to have around.

I know we all want to see these new players come out and star straight away, but in reality, it'll take any new player a while to find his feet (unless their freakish, a la Rich), and the whole lot of these youngsters in the same team won't lead to victories, or even close to victories, which i reckon are still crucial. So with that in mind, i think the players introductions to AFl will be gradual.

[jayceebee31 759]

At training, at least on Friday, saw Scott West having a big input into training, running actual drills more than Bailey I think. I think he's a good guy to have around.

I know we all want to see these new players come out and star straight away, but in reality, it'll take any new player a while to find his feet (unless their freakish, a la Rich), and the whole lot of these youngsters in the same team won't lead to victories, or even close to victories, which i reckon are still crucial. So with that in mind, i think the players introductions to AFl will be gradual.

Agree totally- On the 8/1 he did the same and from other training days that I have attended he seems a major contributor. I am rapt that we have him permantly this year after a part time roll last year. I remember when Brett Ratten coached MFC for only the 1 year. The players felt let down and in particular the midfield. We have two great midfield coaches in Williams and West to bring these players on.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

There's a dilemma here and that is that you need to blood players as well as to win games.

I would be disappointed if the Club sacrificed player development and the LT future of the Club with the short term fix on "winning" games. MFC needs to get development and game time into younger players. As part of that learning process, these players will be talented but green. The sooner we can responsibly get at least 50 games into each of the players who will be our future the better our path to a flag will be.

We have a younger list this year than last year and expectations of more than 8 wins may be fanciful. We are on the move but we have to have patience.

I remember when Brett Ratten coached MFC for only the 1 year. The players felt let down and in particular the midfield.

There is alot of fantasy about Ratten's time at MFC. When Ratten was midfield coach, he was blessed with Scott Thompson who was fit and firing for the first 17 rounds and had Jeff White as an AA ruckman single handedly dominating the centre bounces until he tired in late August that year. White and Thommo made the others around them much much better. When Thommo got injured and White tired toward the seasons end, the wheels on the midfield fell off well and truly. Neither were fit in 2003 nor were they together and firing in 2005. Thommo left a huge hole as a first dibs inside midfielder when he departed to the Crows. In 2005, MFC were forced to throw an inexperienced midfield of McLean, Sylvia and Beamer in the fire. They were gallant but lacked Thommo's class. White was neutered in the centre and our first possession advantage was lost.

[jayceebee31 759]

I would be disappointed if the Club sacrificed player development and the LT future of the Club with the short term fix on "winning" games. MFC needs to get development and game time into younger players. As part of that learning process, these players will be talented but green. The sooner we can responsibly get at least 50 games into each of the players who will be our future the better our path to a flag will be.

We have a younger list this year than last year and expectations of more than 8 wins may be fanciful. We are on the move but we have to have patience.

There is alot of fantasy about Ratten's time at MFC. When Ratten was midfield coach, he was blessed with Scott Thompson who was fit and firing for the first 17 rounds and had Jeff White as an AA ruckman single handedly dominating the centre bounces until he tired in late August that year. White and Thommo made the others around them much much better. When Thommo got injured and White tired toward the seasons end, the wheels on the midfield fell off well and truly. Neither were fit in 2003 nor were they together and firing in 2005. Thommo left a huge hole as a first dibs inside midfielder when he departed to the Crows. In 2005, MFC were forced to throw an inexperienced midfield of McLean, Sylvia and Beamer in the fire. They were gallant but lacked Thommo's class. White was neutered in the centre and our first possession advantage was lost.

Your points are very sound however the enviroment when he was there was great. I agree with your first part of the post that stated...I would be disappointed if the Club sacrificed player development and the LT future of the Club with the short term fix on "winning" games. MFC needs to get development and game time into younger players. As part of that learning process, these players will be talented but green. Couldn't this be done at Casey. Let us not forget that we have only 14 players whom have played over 50 games on the list. Also whilst I think JW should have had a taste of it last year pulling him after 3 games was the correct thing to do.My attitude is do not cook them too quickly.Our list could develop like Pagan's kids at North did- came up through the under 19's together as winners.

Edited January 25, 2010 by jayceebee31

[Viney Vidi Vici 145]

Jetta, Blease, Strauss, Fitzpatrick, Gawn-when fit and able, Scully, Trengove, Gysberts, Tapscott,along with McNamara, Spencer, McKenzie and maybe even Watts

I think thats the core of the argument. Theres heaps of them! Im hoping the coaching staff can manage all of them into great players for the club, and as RR said, I hope we can get 50 games into all of them as soon as we responsibly can, and the key word is 'responsibly'. I don't reckon its too 'responsible' to chuck them in the deep end, as we did beamer, sylvia and Mclean, but from what that interview by West tells me is, that they know what their doing with player development.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Your points are very sound however the enviroment when he was there was great. I agree with your first part of the post that stated...I would be disappointed if the Club sacrificed player development and the LT future of the Club with the short term fix on "winning" games. MFC needs to get development and game time into younger players. As part of that learning process, these players will be talented but green. Couldn't this be done at Casey. Let us not forget that we have only 14 players whom have played over 50 games on the list. Also whilst I think JW should have had a taste of it last year pulling him after 3 games was the correct thing to do.My attitude is do not cook them too quickly.

Environments usually are great when you are winning and things did look positive for a while when we had the wind in our sails. I am not sure how much can be attributed to Ratten. He was most fortunate to have two critical players performing at the one time that other midfield coaches did not have. And as for his contribution to the environment. Well, I am not sure how positive his contribution to the environment is at Carlton. Maybe their environment ambassador is not the only leader who should take some paste for their situation.

I completely agree with not overcooking the players. But we are unlikely to see the fruits of the talent we have until they mature as footballers. This will take a couple of years I used 50 games as benchmark. And given we have so few players at the mark at the moment highlights the challenge. We have so many players to bring forward in terms of development that it will be impossible not to have a number of inexperienced players playing at one time. Its also likely that as we open these players to the AFL that we will have to watch them stumble at times in order to reach their peaks. Naturally some of the development of these players will involve Casey in their formative years but there is a need to get them to be hardened talented footballers and the AFL is the only avenue. This process has to be done judicially on a player by player basis. Some may mature quickly (eg a Grimes or Trengove) while some make take some years (eg Watts or GAWN)