for mine ..no player who cant kick a bal straight should ever be allowed near the forward 50..and really its debatable as to whther they should be allowed onthe field period . Its FOOTBALL... you ought to be able to kick the bloody thing...and at AFL level with conmensurate skill.

Newton cant..I agree.. thats his self signing his own warrant no ??

If he could kick straight he could be really good. He's only 21 or 22 and has only played 20 odd games. He is a young forward in the worst team in the comp, yet had he been able to kick straight he'd comfortably get 2 or 3 every week. I don't think he'll ever be a great kick, but may turn out to be an okay one. In which case he'd probably make a decent 3rd or 4th forward in a future forward line containing Watts, Jurrah, Bate, Wona, Maric etc.

It's unbelievable the amount of vitriol he gets from his own supporters.

If he could kick straight he could be really good. He's only 21 or 22 and has only played 20 odd games. He is a young forward in the worst team in the comp, yet had he been able to kick straight he'd comfortably get 2 or 3 every week. I don't think he'll ever be a great kick, but may turn out to be an okay one. In which case he'd probably make a decent 3rd or 4th forward in a future forward line containing Watts, Jurrah, Bate, Wona, Maric etc.

It's unbelievable the amount of vitriol he gets from his own supporters.

Harry.. youre right..if he was kicking straight then he probably wouldnt attract the comments he does now... But then hed only be a half way handy forward in aso -so team with no prospects. We ( MFC ) dont want to be a so-so team, we want to be great and the bar needs to be set higher and that goes for all positions on the ground and if we do that then simply improving his kicking to "aceptable" wont cut it either.. He fails consistantly at AFL level and shines at VFL level.. thats all that really has to be observed.. His level of capability isnt ( many feel) high enough to warrant inclusion going forward.

Miller is 3 times handier than Newton on a ground.... just consider the weight of that !!

Good forwards not only finish off the work given them , but they create some..and add to the power of the forward line. It just seems more often than no Juice is a liability up front at AFL level. We cant aford this.

Valenti has had just as many chances and look at his game yesterday, shown more than juice ever has.

If he could kick straight he could be really good. He's only 21 or 22 and has only played 20 odd games. He is a young forward in the worst team in the comp, yet had he been able to kick straight he'd comfortably get 2 or 3 every week. I don't think he'll ever be a great kick, but may turn out to be an okay one. In which case he'd probably make a decent 3rd or 4th forward in a future forward line containing Watts, Jurrah, Bate, Wona, Maric etc.

It's unbelievable the amount of vitriol he gets from his own supporters.

His arms and shoulders are smaller than Matty Bate and Bate spent the first three seasons of his career as a mid.

His hips are wider than his shoulders, another sign that he doesn't put the effort in during the summer to give him the body to perform at this level. Jurrah is taking his spot and his quicker, cleaner, smarter, and far more skilled in the art of taking a mark and beating an opponent in a one-on-one contest.

If that is vitriol then I'm sorry, but just because some on here are vitriolic does not mean that the criticism he gets is unfounded.

He has another year and if he comes back in February shredded I will change my mind on his application.

Until then...

His arms and shoulders are smaller than Matty Bate and Bate spent the first three seasons of his career as a mid.

His hips are wider than his shoulders, another sign that he doesn't put the effort in during the summer to give him the body to perform at this level. Jurrah is taking his spot and his quicker, cleaner, smarter, and far more skilled in the art of taking a mark and beating an opponent in a one-on-one contest.

If that is vitriol then I'm sorry, but just because some on here are vitriolic does not mean that the criticism he gets is unfounded.

He has another year and if he comes back in February shredded I will change my mind on his application.

Until then...

Agree. It's his body shape, or lack of decent muscle mass, that has me most concerned about him. He either is a VERY slow developer, or far too lazy in the gym...