As we all know, we mustn't win more than one game. But it's not feasible to tell the players not to give their all. Also it's hard to drop senior players who may be competing for B and F honours(eg Davey, Bruce and Green).

One very effective method of making it hard to win games is to have absolutely NO tactics in point kick-ins. The poor player designated to kick in(often Grimes today), looks up to see nothing but stationary targets. An opposition point therefore results in enormous defensive pressure on us, and a lilkely goal to them. This happens repeatedly, with absolutely no tactical change.

Is this , in fact, very clever? It would be almost impossible for our side to win without devising a more effective kick-in strategy.

I fear I'm fantasising.

The real facts are that we don't consider this an important phase of the game, and have done nothing about it since Daniher. Perhaps our naivety could have an up-side when it comes to draft selection.

Edited July 19, 200915 yr by JUMPING JACK CLENNETT

We've been butchering our kick ins all year, so I don't see this as any new tactic for us to lose.

As we all know, we mustn't win more than one game. But it's not feasible to tell the players not to give their all. Also it's hard to drop senior players who may be competing for B and F honours(eg Davey, Bruce and Green).

One very effective method of making it hard to win games is to have absolutely NO tactics in point kick-ins. The poor player designated to kick in(often Grimes today), looks up to see nothing but stationery targets. An opposition point therefore results in enormous defensive pressure on us, and a lilkely goal to them. This happens repeatedly, with absolutely no tactical change.

Is this , in fact, very clever? It would be almost impossible for our side to win without devising a more effective kick-in strategy.

I fear I'm fantasising.

The real facts are that we don't consider this an important phase of the game, and have done nothing about it since Daniher. Perhaps our naivety could have an up-side when it comes to draft selection.

Not sure if you ae serious, but kick in tactics aren't decided each week.

In fact there are no tactics whatsoever in our point kick-ins.....let alone "decided each week!"

I'll be serious if we don't do anything about it next season, when, I hope, it'll matter.

You guys have to be kidding if you think there are no kick-in tactics used. Anyone who has ever played Australian Rules is able to tell you that various different kick-in options are practiced over the preseason. All we are seeing is a teams inability to carry out a set play.

You guys have to be kidding if you think there are no kick-in tactics used. Anyone who has ever played Australian Rules is able to tell you that various different kick-in options are practiced over the preseason. All we are seeing is a teams inability to carry out a set play.

Good lets Keep stuffing it up for the next 6 weeks & then make it no 1 priority at "Clown School" over the pre season. Only 6 more weeks!!

I think the tactic of getting smashed in the first quarter and then being competitive for the rest of the game is the best. At least you get something out of the game and there is no awful moment when you don't know what to think e.g whether you barrack for the win or hope they lose. If you notice west coast are very good at the bad starts in quite of few of their games since their season was shot, game is over by quarter time and there is no qualms about blatant tanking in the last quarter.

I think the tactic of getting smashed in the first quarter and then being competitive for the rest of the game is the best. At least you get something out of the game and there is no awful moment when you don't know what to think e.g whether you barrack for the win or hope they lose. If you notice west coast are very good at the bad starts in quite of few of their games since their season was shot, game is over by quarter time and there is no qualms about blatant tanking in the last quarter.

Yes Richmond certainly hit the anchors after Half Time Didn't they!

We've been butchering our kick ins all year, so I don't see this as any new tactic for us to lose.

To be honest, I think we've improved our kick ins this year. Yes, it's still cost us a couple of goals this season, but nowhere near as many as last year. Grimes kicking in has helped, although even at times, he turns it over. This is another interesting thread...I'd like to think Bailey has some set plays up his sleeve for next year and the following years. Clarkson has his rolling zone, Roos had his flooding etc, I wonder what Bailey will bring to the table next year. I want to be an innovative team, the innovators are usually the premiership sides. We'll need far better tactics next year and in the following years, if our list is going to win a premiership. It's not just about the list, it's about ball movement and the structures put in place by the coach and his staff. That's on the offensive side, then there's the defensive side, being without the ball, if your team can force the opposition to turn the ball over (ala St Kilda's defensive zone), you'll win most games. St Kilda have shown this. I don't want to judge until next year and the year after, but I suspect not much is being done to rectify this at the moment, as we're not really in the finals hunt.