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The soft tissue injuries resulted from young players being overtrained by the 'Weapon' the fact the players were quite good has no impact They were charged with taking a banned substance, show me the scientific research, from a reputable source, that says thay substance does enhance performance As every athletes physiology is different if you are going to be a drug cheat you have to have an individual program tailored for you specifically, not blanket injections and let's see what happens Dank, Robinson and Hird had everybody conned including the agencies

I never state that precious, others attribute that to me I always preface my conversations with players with ' I had a chat to' I am under no illuusions unlike others on here Sorry to disappoint you but I am fiercely anti drug, which is why I find the approach of the agencies tasked with eradicating drugs in sport farcical I always enjoy posters who have to resort to childish comments as they don't have the wherewithal to debate an issue And your stand on drugs is?

The effects are unknown, my point exactly, so if posters think Essendon players had an unfair advantage, then they could be wrong

Yes who says you are right and I am wrong, my point, these agencies are your typical government agency, the occasional win but most the time groping in the dark Of course there are performance enhancing drugs in sport, but the agencies only plan of action is let's ban everything and hope somebody dobs. Even the Lachie Whitfield case only came to light coz an ex girlfriend spoke up Whatever substance the Essendon players took was exoerimental, there is no scientific proof it is performance enhancing, that was the whole idea of the program to see if it did I remember the debacle years ago over caffeine, until it was realised you would have to ingest half of Brazil's output before it had a beneficial effect, as I said groping in the dark. Melksham was guilty of nothing more than naivete, my opinion, if you don't like it, I'm cool with that

If drug detection was an exact science and the agencies actually knew what they were doing ,you would have had Lance Armstrong picked off in his first year and not a whistleblower calling out the Russians. Supposedly the players at Essendon took a performance enhancing drug, again it was self reported What we have seen in the last couple of years is a knee jerk reaction as the authorities try and justify their existence and the money spent Hence my comment about substances being banned because the authorities have no idea whether they enhance performance or not Melksham Hibberd et al guilty of being naive. My opinion, I said SWYL was childish with the constant childish name calling, not the fact that he thinks they took performance enhancing drugs, who says he is right and I am wrong

Another pre season into both Hunt and Salem and the can rotate thru midfiekd and wing. Melksham is a professional footy player he'll be ok, players soend a year out with ACL, reckion he will be one player in top shape day 1

He needs something to trade with, so we would have to trade a big name, does this hint belong in the Hogan thread? All players we think should be traded would, according to some posters on here, have very little trade value, also Goodwin was more bullish about the draft, and Taylors magic around the 40's and 50's and rookie We have already picked up a B class rookie, who if he deveops like Joel Smith, who himself is showing promise, with Hibberd, Melkshan, Lumumba back to full fitness, we can afford to draft kids again

Your continued bleating about the drugs issue is really tiresome The reason a lot of the drugs are put on the banned list, is that they are experimental and the authorities have no concrete proof that they work or not, it is supposition. Your constant use of 'juiced up' is childish, as you have no idea how much and when, if any, that Melksham was given a performace enhancing drug or just a banned substance, and if it did have a significant impact on his onfield performance. Caffeine is supposedly a performace enhancing drug, and I drink copious amounts of coffee, but I still think Usain Bolt has got me covered

[censored] no, I am surprised SWYL liked your post, posters bemoaning the club taking it up the backside and we give 2 whacks in a week, more please, going forward take [censored] from no one. On Bartlett, spoke to him a few times since appointment, he is the Admiral lets the captains run their own ships but provides the right support at the right times

You gonna hold ur breath if he isn't, Goodwin wouldn't have recommended him if he didn't think so

I doubt Freo would entertain either of Fyfe or Neale unless they said they wanted out With Wise on Motlop, big fan of indigenous players but would need to be 'disciplined' that being said Scott keeps picking him and he is a stckler. Methinks unless MFC demand an answer from Jesse, or he re signs, we won't see this resolved till next year, can't see Freo being able to offer something to satisfy

I try, I just can't help myself chap, I like posting about footy but whenever I threaten the royalty on here the Mouseketeers come out brandishing their swords or saber in one case, find it all highly amusing

If we get Hibberd, you have your point 4 and some are forgetting we get another experienced player in Melksham as well, understand the off field, but think that is fairly settled now, everybody on the same page

Weller has a lot of upside/promise for some Wise, with you on this one though

Will you two stop discussing footy whilst there is some serious electronic stalking going on.......like the idea of Gaff trade though

Oh dear, I made another joke once on Twitter and Charlotte liked it, but whatever...........don't tell me you check me out on there as well......I have no hope!!!...I am being electronically stalked............it is contagious PS Jack did put the photo up, mature enough to handle any feedback

They claim they have chap, I don't know what to do?, was considering typing in invisible ink chap, but they may have a supply of lemon juice, some seem to suck a few, I was happily on topic, and then all of sudden it's all about biceps and things, and not from me.............oh no! perhaps its contagious

Nah, BBO at work, jousting with the Mouseketeers again, you remember them, they don't read my posts, but reply to them....it must be a skill.....

I am not derailing, my posts have been on topic, sorry Sword, I am not the one who makes it about me, you just did, are you derailing the thread?

No, it is just premature speculation Sorry chap, you are only looking at my public Twitter and Instragram, I only use them for footy, which I thought was bizarrely normal, you did click follow on both of them whilst you were there? I don't treat the players as deities, just human beings

Who? Who? Who?

There is a rumour that some posters are blessed with acquaintances with appendages that are to be admired.......but back on topic Jesse to Freo for a second hand Leyland P76 with few kilometres on the clock and a 'B' class rookie they have recruited from the world championship winning German handball team

Ah yet another schoolyard bully.........told you about the name calling..................I take it you read my posts though? I don't regard myself as inner sanctum, never claimed that, it is claimed constantly by the posters that don't read my posts but feel the need to reply to them......sound familiar

No only rumour

I am not delusional at all, some posters seem to love that word, we all have conversations, and we decide not to share the information, hopefully nobody from the Magpies or the media reads what you just typed Everybody has an opinion/idea/rumour etc of what will occur, including the players at clubs, whether any of it comes to fruition is another matter, this is the point I am making, rumours make the world go around, especially in the 24 hr media cycle we have now. Clubs will also release tidbits of information when it suits them, usually something trivial, or already known Up to now we have 77 pages of speculation, that is all it is, speculation