BrownlowBruce

wat am i thinkin about? im sure they all have great career brownlow votes. god forbid u judge jaded .... daniel bell gets 3 votes every week.... people will always doubt the umpires decision ... but when u think about it , who better to do them?

im not doubting the competivness of the game.... most will agree the aim of the game is to win.... but the primary function is to enjoy the contest.... now u can arugue to the cows come home...... and if u cant realise this u are no better than that guy u described as a "d$$$head"

"btw this is irrelevant i am also interested in who currently on MFC list has the highest carreer brownlow votes?" but who better than to go buy than an umpire? ur opinion is just as biest as mine... theirs isnt

just pointing out.... and i found it strange u didnt try justify ur reason when u said "why paul williams?" which then dellusioned did anyway.... no problem

10 if he plays + 10 for each in the photo if they play

cant help but raise the point people hate buckley lol... so cause we dont want him as coach....

mmmm 70 i think yze has not a bad effort

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many will not agree with u kit... where as i do.. when we concen yze many of the above posters opinion will change on a number of matters... goal- an yze goal is a cheap kick from somone else hard work.. resulting of yzes boot possesion- contested or this does not count as a valid stat for yze. kick- cheap kicks. who cares if he is one of the best kicks in the MFC CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP Kick of the ground- no longer a clever way to kick a goal or gain meterage on opponent. it is now a weak effort instead of picking up the ball and gettin tackled or dispossed. Receivers (players who dont get the hard ball)- no need for these players on our team especially yze we want 22 players who go under and then dish it off to open space because they are all under the pack. injuries- yze does not get injured because he shriks contests and does not wrecklessly throw his body into and oncomming brick wall. players who do not get injured are weak. kit the above is a set of guidlines u should remember before defending yze. as stats dont matter. opinions do.. And kit u should also remember he ran to the bench as captain in a final. andddddddddd he apparently shirked a contest in anohter final a long time ago.... (these 2 incidents deffinatley will tell u he is a dud so dont bother argueing) btw this is irrelevant i am also interested in who currently on MFC list has the highest carreer brownlow votes?

not to speak to the media......... so no after game match speaking , before the game? during the week ? tv shows? this has become to routine of footballers these days. Lots of very contrast opinions to the brock article.... about melbourne coming to comfortable.... just a thought

if he is gone by august.... do we get a temp coach ..... assitant promoted etc? do we get a new coach? with a contract? i think we are best to wait end season, more people will put their hand up to coach and less chance of gettin a dud

hAVE U BEEN TO A YOUNG FOOTY MATCH? im not that old...... few years ago ... my team had to be locked in the change rooms after a match.... because the adults were brawling. maybe they disagreed that it was a good game to watch and they couldnt decide who was the best player.... GET STUFFED- one team lost and .. deny it all u want this is the reality of where footy and all sports are heading. Deanox i understand where u are going..... but answer me this .... was footy invented so some guy could BEAT another guy... if u cant enjoy the game why follow it my point is ..... if u cant enjoy a good mark or goal.... because u dont win.... is a pathedic excuse of a football fan. u may as welll become a punter..... win or lose, no highlights reel for u.

who hasnt underperformed this year? bell - he was terrible last year petterd - first game this year jones - getting better... the whole team has underperformed. And they hav let the coach down.

winning winning winning............ why do people watch footy? to win? NO ,coz they love the sport u are the reason why there is so much violence in younger footy today........ promote winning and nothing else.

brock had a shocker but u name him in our best......... justify it with ur jibberish if u want... but yer.... makes alot of sense. "coz he tried hard"

i have no obsession with u or ur opinions- which often i do not agree with...

did i mention bruce no... and why get all touchy? coz u cant defend ur post?... i think u have contradicted ur self.... and no i dont want to make it personal thank you... infact i was hoping for a reply of answers and yes i was at the game....

if u want to talk about bell go to the demonland player of the year topic

haha.... ur excacly the type of moron i talk about.... u justify him havn a bad game coz he had 3 on him... i dont think so... he had a shocker yet u put him in ur best? players that had impact , holland... bizzel and picket holland goals bizz DID SOME GOOD THINGS IN THE BACKLINE pickett added some phyical pressure but still i may not give them all votes.. I respect someone who knows they are playing shite.. but still aplly themselves. And he did.. didnt do too much ...but he never NEVER gives in. I like that...I'll be straight up wat the hell stop sucking up his arse... like everyone else.... didnt give in.... DIDNT GIVE NOTHING more like it how do u know he didnt give in ? he was barely seen

How anyone can name brock in our best? our best captain on the night maybe, he was nowhere.... didnt get the ball or have any impact.. Bell in our best deanox? u wanna talk about bruces kicking lets talk about bells.... TERRIBLE ... he turned the ball over like everytime he got it... he got smashed by brown and was dragged of him.... i agree with u clint ... bizz was very handy

Where to begin? So many issues this season that have left me frustrated and angry as much as any of you........ round 1.... melbourne shocking start to the season, bad skillful display cost them dearly..... The first issue that came up.... THE YZE SAGA..... Adem yze has been a great servent of our club hes been there every week for 10 years thru the hard times and the good times.... Adem Yze inthe end had to ask to be dropped so we read in the papers etc... but the funny thing is .... everyone on here wanted him to be dropped. blaming him of of glory seeking (playin for the record) if anything i belive this would have been motivating him too play..... the lack of respect a veteran of our club gets its dismal, he may not go under and get the ball in the stoppages..... but for how many years were his silky skills soo usefull for us. Now he may be a forward mainly but he still manges to kick the freak goal week in week out, now if thats not enough to lift a team wat is? People cant understand that u need fringe players or people that wont go under to get the ball if we had 20 of these players whos going to be there to receive the ball? As for recent talk lets trade him? not in our best 22.....Why didnt we trade him? Quote from deanox "i get the feeling that you've decided to take it upon yourself to be illogical and champion a cause just because you think it might even up the discussion or something? there are no reasons why you would defend bruce to the teeth in this discussion. he is tradable without a doubt, if we can get ourselves into a better position with that trade. when was the last time he won a game off his own boot? not recently. and the way you attack other players, including brock mclean is illogical and uninformed. do you have a personal grudge against him? because if not you will realise that brock is a player who can win games off his own boot. bruce can, but hasnt for a while, and at 27 it is getting past him. consider the careers of bizzel and yze as of today. while biz has produced some honest performances down back this year, he is realistically on his way out, most likely his last year. the game, it seems, has gone past yze. he has struggled for a couple of years now and is really well past it. i would be srprised if he gets more than one year at the end of this season. both players could of been traded a couple of years ago (when they were 27) and we prob would have got great value for them. a couple of years on and we are stuck with them underperforming. if bruces kicking doesnt improve he could well go down this path (laugh if you will but how good was yze 3 years ago?). if we can get a 1st and 2nd round draft pick for bruce, we'd be mad not to take it. the young kids coming through would play with the current group of under 23s for 7+ years, giving us a chance at a premiership that having bruce won't. therin lies the reason why you dont trade mclean. he is part of that next group. even if bruce is a better player in your eyes, bruce will be gone in 5 years, mclean still has 10 at least. maybe 12." For now i dont think he is worth much at any other club..... At our club he is worth much more.....experience , leadership with much of u think he lacks , and too many supporters a player they grew up to love... You look at other clubs.... veteran players would never even be thought about aas trade bate..... as they are the heart and soul of the club. You may look back and say why didnt we trade him? ill tell u why.... because he has never had a poor season... ever... he always has found the ball and in more recent years has found the goals.... 30 -40 goals? u may not say alot.... but a midfilder/half back flanker to change position is not an easy role. With this the criticism of his kicking came.... only due to the fact he was now takin set shots not on the run which is prefered by most midfield type players.... keep him, or why not trade him.... Jeff Farmer , Shane woewodin, Add adem yze to list .... sure they you might not think they are the best players..... but to younger kids and people who support the MFC these players were all stars and the younger kids on the field im sure would look up to them no matter wat.. soo who to the likes of mclean look up to? noone .... 22 and 23 year old players lookin up to them selves....Trade all the players u like.... and u can see wat happens.. lack of leadership , experience. People arent passionate about just the MFC they are passinoate about the players.... look at half the peopel in this forum... DazzleDavey, BrownlowBruce, Lord Travis. to name a few.... they obviously have a cult follwing for one player or another.... how many supporters do u think have the same... how many supporters do u drive away? SO do we trade brock mclean when he is 28? Yze has not struggled for a couple of years... at all. explain urself i think u are more worried about tryin to develop a premiership side... than worrying about who stays at the club...... ur main focus may be to win a premiership but if this doesnt work , its a hard additude but when u fail u look even worse.... all u are going to lose is supporters and players who serve the club longer than almost anyone (YZE) players that younger players would have watched when they were first wanting to play AFL... Players that may have futures after they leave playing AFL.. are lost.... goodbye.... never seen again Sure try win ur ..... premiership... but ull lose many supporters hearts along the way. And there is tooo many of u on this site... that lack the passion to defend a player or coach when the team is down. because in the end .... winning is everything for u. not to enjoy the football or the contest.. or a great goal or mark. Winning :D or .... lets get rid of this player :angry: 5 weeks in ...... the demize of miller & daniher... I dont have alot to say on danihers behalf..... for a start he has had a tough list to contend with... not only have we had lots of injurie selection problems.... the problem of less players on the bench during most games..... Really melbourne has played below par in games where they shouldnt have tho.... for example The richmond or earlier this year the st kilda game.... For all those agro supporters on here callin for danihers blood should maybe think about the finals we reached in his 10 years..... and while we may have only won a few finals..... the playing group is much to blame than the coach.... I am neither fussed if he stays or goes..... the only reason i feel he must go.... is Change.... somtimes a change may be good for the club that is just oing thru the motions.... Daniher still has my respect and has been a loyal coach to the club and i am looking forward to the boards decision at years end.... Not now ... or not in a few weeks! why the hell would u put the MFC into more troubles mid seaons. Miller..... The most hated of alll players at MFC.... I ask u a question.... Wat if we won last year against freo .. Wat if brad kicked straight in the last qrt..... bit of luck went our way like the st kilda game. When abit of luck went brock mcleans way WE win.... BRAD MILLER is the new captain of MFC sounds abit like the whole brock mclean situation doesnt it? i know thats a alot of wat ifs? but its exacly the same scenario.... as said in a post recently Brock Mclean is overrated... i dont hate the guy, i love him like all of u, but i am not as stupid as u to rate him so highly .... i rate him high on potential for the future. he has been injury prone his whole career.... he has played some good games... like miller and has played well in one final like miller. Alot of people called miller a leader as litttle as 1-2 years ago.... JADED u will know wat i am talkin about. (a possibility for next captain) brad miller has as much potential at the club as anyone..... he was in our best in atleast 3 games this year and only has played about 8 or 9 games.... if we had a much better team effort once again and won.... BRAD miller is a star... Half the people on this site are on the losing Bandwagon.... everyone is happy and loving untill we lose... Trade this player drop that player... somtimes u have to be more realistic we arent going to trade 10 players and delist 5 others. as for others suggesting dunn should get a game this week he was crap in the VFL and miller has been ok and good the last 2 weeks.... EXPLAIN ur self? Melbourne VS richmond AS for that game.... pfft... im not surprised we lost.... the amount of supporters that were there for a sat night game was CRAP.... 45 000 or somthin With about 40 000 richmond supporters.... and by halftime the other half of melbourne supportes where were u ? Roll over and die... because its evident u cant hack losing like Jack clement said in another post.... a real leader goes down with his ship... u offer nothin to the club and are the reason why our support is soo low.... i dont care if ur been a member since 1889 .... if we want to built the club.... we have to start supporting the club in mass numbers ... noone will follow a minority..... Lets talk about cameron bruce.... our most versatile player ... our best player and a candidate for next captain.... IMO i think he should and will get it, but im am not fussed if he doesnt, if he gets traded on the other hand ..... ahhh right.... i dont think so. 3 years he has been our most consistant our most damaging and our most prolific player.... But in ur eyes, Not hard enough... i wish i could be stuffed going to get all the stats for u idiots... but i cant.. so i willl generalise Tackles- he is one of our most prolific players in tackles laid.. Hard ball gets- he was our leader in hard ball gets this season Marks- Was and still is i think leading marks this season and was in the top 3 last season. ( go on say it.... "cheap possesions on the backline) Bruce is one of the only midfeilders that has presented every game win or lose week in week out he leads up the middle of the ground presenting for our backmen.... dont belive me ... watch the sydney game classic example.... Bruces kicking has gone abit funny this year i will admit.... but the last 2-3 games it has been clearly not a big factor and many of u contiue to say it in ur weekly thought of the game.... is this just anger? or are u for real? coz our dispoasal has been [censored] since round 1. People were quick to defend davey against the pies. Bell against any side.... Jaded u wanted me to read ur stat...... on ur signature.... Judd 1.28 points per minute on the ground or watever the .... to brocks 1.27... Daylight blah blah blah... great article that.... he lacked hard evidence.... but for memory .... he quoted... "Cameron Bruce MFC best player" did he not? so maybe u should pipe down? and as a moderator should you be telling anyone to pipe down? as this is a place where people can place their opinions... can they not? also i belive u should stop mentioning ur a moderator to every second poster.... because i dont think it means u have more credibilaty than anyone else.... Yze magik... the person i loved to hate..... bizzare but.... i understand somtimes why u say stupid stuff... this site is frustrating and half the people on it.. i know rhino richards will have fun finding every spelling error or punctuation mistake i have made in this entire post.. for now i will finish.... really i dont care how many people read this... how many people hate me.... how many people think this is chidish... this post is all over the place ... but i dont care some of u.. should take a look at urself....

i guess brock mclean should join the list of outs why should CJ get a run if hes proven anythin its he cant hack it at AFL level i have not seen much of the game... but from wat i hear... dunn was not great miller was..... soooo explain why dunn is in ur ins? he still has somthin to prove according to the rap he had no impact on the game except the 2nd quater... dominated ey.... miller poor kicking ? wat about 3.4 and 2 on the full..... i guess that is better .... just like 90% of the people on this site u are clearly not a fan of miller

2morrow.... i wlll have a post that may just welll get me banned from this site... but i think we should Trade brock mclean he is as overated as heath shaw if not the most overrated player in the comp..... could get judd easier with him hes done nothing to be called a captain ...... and the fact all u idiots call him a hero is laughable.... ST KILDA vs MELB the game we should have lost..... THE GAME BROCK should not have got a [censored] WEAK FREE KICK the GAME WHERE There was one player better than him... and u guys want to trade him PACK OF IDIOTS BTW jaded..... "there is not certainty hes leading/win our BF?" thats because there must be (......) like some people on this site deciding the votes.... do u suppose daniel bell is still leading ?

this is an opinionated thread... i have mine... got a problem with it? too bad my rating for bruce... not his best.... but i guess is captain didnt really show him how its done? if anyone has led from the front in the last 3 years its bruce....