Grimseyisgod

.... well we better get a move on, because I think 'the g'affitti is on the walls', Re their coach, times they R a changin... #u@k daisy....

chase 2 kids home,,, & grab 2 Elders with $$$$$,,, to instill the hardness, professionalism's & smarts. Sewell & ?Thompson? keep Craig at the club, either shortterm coaching, or managing player development.

Do a deal with Eagles for Gaff,,, maybe with (P.2 & P.38) for (Gaff & their 2nd Rnd Pick)..... or (P2 + Watts + 3rd Rnd Pick) for (Gaff & they're 1st Pick).... they get to keep Sheed at home?

we need to get some help re a PP, so we can further build our mids (a Crouch or Kelly).

.... also try to do a deal with GWS to get their mid 1st Rnd Comp Pick.... trade someone?

after Gaff's year i dont think he is worthy of a pick 2 anymore.

Unless they offer good

I'd B very 'appy, if we went after Taylor Adams & Hurry TFU about it, before the Tigers Nab him in a deal...

... also, lets Go fishing big time, to land a goodUn with a Gaff... a lively runner if ever I saw 1...

Gaff would be an amazing inclusion to the club.

Gaff, Adams, Swallow and Tyson... wow, what a club we'd be building.

But realistically if we get 2 i'd do backflips

we had better go out and get 2 legit gun young midfielders in the draft-trade period

David Swallow an Taylor Adams would be just fine

Pay overs if we have to, i dont care anymore just give us a legit midfield

David Swallow is someone we should seriously go after in my opinion. He is the bull and freak that Melbourne need. It's almost as if he hasnt fitted in their midfield with O'meara, Martin, Ablett and Prestia.

Taylor Adams seems like he wants to leave, so we should try to snap him up

IMO i'd be happy if we could snare just one of them, realistically

THOMAS cost too much,breakdown a lot and we would turn him into crap.Adams o.k

Get CRIPPS and SHEEDS from WA as they are tough. M.JONES,C.SYLVIA, and J.McKENZIE to go.

N.JONES,TRENGOVE forward line,GRIMES defence,FITZY wing.EVANS,KENT with more training as possible mids.

Our midfield except viney where truly shown up against FREO.

I am still having a laugh at the dude who said I am glad you do not pick the side...we lost to the KANGAS by 20 goals.

EADE has been interviewed by the Dees,why go any further.Nothing like suspense.

I cant believe you just rate Adams as ok, yet you're wanting to pick up players who havent played

Absolutely, we'd have to pay 900k to get thomas, i'd rather offer them 450 k each for 5 years and lure them back to vic.

and to satisfy the trade, Jack watts, Mark Jamar and pick 21?

I'd be reluctant to trade Watts. But i'd be very happy to drop pick 21 and Jamar.

I think everyone agrees with that?

Watts to Carlton for pick 9? If its clear Watts is not committed to MFC where do we sign? Carlton could not be that silly...well they did cough pick 12 for McLean..

I'm not convinced that i'd want to get rid of Jack Watts. With pick 9 though, i'd definitely trade pick 9 for Dom Tyson and there second round pick? (with GWS)

They would want to say yes to coming to us first..

Well, Tyson isnt getting a game at GWS and i am convinced that he will be a star!

Adams doesnt want to sign at this stage, so clearly he wants out.

would you be happy that instead of chasing Daisy Thomas (which would be a long shot) to pay overs for Dom Tyson and try to lure Taylor Adams

We are closer to the bottom than the top in terms of playing personnel, if fact we may be right at the bottom.

We have a few players that are serviceable and a few that may be capable of stepping up to the next level but we've been down for so long we grasp at anything we can. Players like Terlich and Matt Jones are good ordinary players but are constantly in our better players. Clisby is another who is just a player and I'm beginning to doubt players like Howe and Dawes who are, probably never get anywhere near where we think they should be.

None of the players apart from Clark, Frawley (if he wants to) Viney, Garland or Nate Jones have any potential to reach a higher level and we clutch at straws hoping a player that gets 20 possessions two weeks in a row will develop in to A grade material.

Our list sucks and our recruiters have filled it with the greatest bunch of no hopers ever to be assembled at a senior football club.

Neil Craig knows this and I reckon he's told the club and it may be the reason he will get the job; he tells it as it is no sugar coating.

I'm very impressed with Craig.

i am holding back some serious anger when writing this.

Toumpas, Trengove, Grimes, Watts, Tom Mcdonald, Michael Evans, Max Gawn and maybe you might want to acknowledge Colin Sylvia (who will go top 3 in our Bluey)

maybe you want to actually acknowledge that these guys are the ones who have the potential to also take huge leaps forward and some of them turn into A- graders.

What you wrote wasnt pessimism, it was just full of crap

all of our first year players (that have played) have really showed alot.

Love the look of our future

Toump, Viney, Jones and Terlich

have you seen how bad Ratten's recruiting has been???

no for me

I wouldn't say Clark is a star. You can't just give the star ranking to a player so loosely.

"Star" should be reserved for stalwarts of the sport, or especially successful players.

Matthew Richardson was a star. He was a Richmond stalwart.

Joel Selwood is a star. He's a champion.

Mitch Clark is a very good player is a god awful side.

Slow down with giving out "star" rankings to everyone.

I thought we'd moved on from overrating our players?

I am of the belief that Mitch Clark is a star.

Everytime he has played for us, he has shown he has the makings of a star.

The guy is a freak

They probably don't doubt we have any other players worth trading though, if frawley decided he wanted to leave all of a sudden maybe, Howe is probably another but i wouldn't be keen to trade either.

the thing is those two players are players we CANNOT trade.

Both are good-star players

Dees supporter, reckon a decent pay rise and a four year deal could potentially bring on a little bit of home sickness.

if we got pick 1 i reckon the pies would offer up sidebottom.

But do the Pies need another forward?

somehow i cant see us getting pick 1

Sidey would be a dream come true

Gaff and Sidebottom?

Sidey wont leave i don think.

but Gaff could be a good potential get?

Neeld was building a team.

You're all talking about bringing in players to change mindsets and culture.

The backline's a beauty, the forward line is porn material, the next step was the midfield...but...

Anyway, I hope the boys go okay tomorrow.

That's true.

But it was the on field performances that were an issue. I dont care what you're building, losing by 95 points everyweek is not good enough

average, hmmn, so was Dangerfield & so was Boak going back 3 years.

I don't know about Yarran or Greenwood as I haven't been bothered watching those clubs over the last couple of years. but fro0m the bit I've seen Yarrans skills are nice?

Greenwood I don't remember seeing

The point is while they may be performing at a low level at the moment, doesn't mean they don't have it in them..

Dangerfield was one of the most hyped players i have ever seen, everyone knew he'd be a star. Boak was in the same boat, both VERY highly regarded and actually showed alot. Rodan was always pretty decent (nothing above that) and Brynes was never that good.

Yarran has proven NOTHING and has been in the system for a while, same with Greenwood.

The thought process behind bringing most of those you've named above was about bringing about a culture change as well as some games experience. It was never about picking up 'stars'. It's definitely debatable whether or not some of those players have contributed positive change at our club. Clark and Dawes are definite keepers but the rest was Mark Neeld's attempt at addressing a few list and club culture issues.

As for stars, the club has always struggled to produce them, but in my opinion our club's inability to produce highly rated players since the Daniher years has killed us.

All we can hope for as PJ and GB keep telling us is that with great coaches, heavy investment in our recruiting, player development and list management, we should be able to produce some quality players over the next 5 to 10 years.

Quality leaders will always fast track the development of young talent, so the nurturing of our young leaders in Grimes, Trengove, Viney and Hogan is imperative.

Agreed, Clark and Dawes have been great for the group mentality. The others have proven nothing

We could do with some greater threads than this one though.

But seriously we need both. We need to improve the players we have and recruit guys who can play a best 22 role and hope some of them are stars.

Sydney won a flag last year with a midfield full of top liners who you could consider about 5 of them or none of them as stars. Freo are top 4 this year and their midfield stars are Mundy, Barlow and Fyfe. All fantastic players but unless Fyfe improves his disposal none will go down as superstars of the game.

The mature age players we drafted last year were not recruited to be stars. I'm sure the club was hoping for more out of Dawes but he has played some decent footy under the circumstances. Rodan really was a one year proposition to soften the blow of losing the malcontent Moloney. Byrnes was never to be a star, Gillies was to give a chance to a depth defender and Pedersen to take a depth tall who could fill a role.

We sat outside our first draft picks in last years draft for stars. Hogan, Viney, Toumpas and even Kent. The latter have shown more than enough to say they can be good AFL players. The first 2 very well could be stars.

Our first pick in this years draft will be spent on a potential star I'm sure of that. If we get another priority pick we could look to trade it for a guy who will impact immediately and might get to the next level or we could double down in the draft. Same for our second or third round picks. Sydney fans will tell you Josh Kennedy is a star. Tiger fans will tell you Maric is a star.

Josh Kennedy is an absolute star as Maric really isnt that good anymore. He had a good year last year and has been poor all this year.

We do not need more average players, we just need stars and to do develop our lads

i think that over the past few years Melbourne have fallen into the trap of getting players for the sake of getting players.

I'd rather have kept Brad Green than pickup Rodan/Brynes

I think that over the past few years, we have picked up average players and only a very few stars. Here's my take

Pederson,Rodan, Brynes, Gillies: Average

Dawes- Good

Clark- star

I have seen people talk about players like Yarran and Greenwood, but i am of the belief that they are just average.

I it enough of picking up average players. Melbourne need stars!

so i say target the big guns, or just go back to the draft and try to create a star.

It is very unlikely that a club will pick up an average player and theyll turn into a star.

Note: Mitch Clark was basically a star at Brisbane and they really didnt want him to go

i dont get all this love for Yarran, he's proved less than Jack Watts

You'd be complaining about him every week i reckon if we got him

51 possessions and he still cant get a game. I dont know what he needs to do to get one.

this is a joke

1. Install Mark Williams as Coach

2. coax Walsh

3. Bartlett as president

4. Cameron Ling becomes player development coach

5. Michael Voss becomes Midfield coach

6. Neil Craig stays on as senior Assistant

7. keep leigh brown and jade Rawlings in current roles

free agents- Xavier Ellis, Dale Thomas

Trades- pick 1 to Collingwood for Steele Sidebottom and pick 12

Pick 2- Crows for Rory Sloane

Trade Watts to Calton for pick 9

Trade pick 9 and Jamar for Adams

Draft- pick 12: Dom Sheed

pick 18 Luke Dunstan

pick 35: Zac Jones

pick 53- Dayle Garlett

pick 71- upgrade Clisby

Rookie draft- young Best from Casey and Sam illies

delisted free agents- Mitch Robinson, Anthony Miles

2014 lineup

B: Zac Jones James Frawley Colin Garland

Hb: Jack Grimes Tom Mcdonald Xavier Ellis

C: Dale Thomas Nathan Jones Jack Trengove

Hf: Jack Viney Jesse Hogan Jeremy Howe

F: Chris Dawes Mitch Clark dean kent

FOL: Max Gawn steele Sidebottom Rory sloane

int Jimmy toumpas, dom Sheed, Mitch Robinson

sub: Anthony mIles

i really love your ambition.

But where are we going to get pick 1 from hahaha?

but nice

To be honest, Trengove even looks like he is getting fitter. I have no doubt he will be a very good outside player, maybe better/as good as Sidebottom.

Viney, Toumpas, Terlich and Matt Jones

a pretty solid 2012 draft!

yesterday was pretty solid boys. 27 possessions, looked to be fitter and fierce tackling. i was impressed.

With that, i was only happy with about 4/5 players games yesterday, but Trengove looked like he was getting better.

Might i add, his highest possession count since 2011

:)

Lets be honest.. if you could pick 3 players out of these group and that Melbourne should target, who would they be and would you be willing to give away Jack Watts, Pick 2 and Colin Sylvia

Mathew Stokes

Dustin Martin

Mitch Robinson

Eddie Betts

Tom Rockliff

Dale Thomas

Nick Dal Santo

Adam Cooney

Once again though, it depends on what you can get for Watts.

I'm open to trading him, but not for a bloody 2nd round draft pick.

I'd want around pick 10 or a Taylor Adams type youngish mid, or else I'd rather hold onto him.

definitely, it would be an absolute travesty to get unders for Jack Watts.

But personally, id rather keep him!