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I seem to remember Col junior coach saying something like "We just tell him to get the ball" why not just let him do that in the middle?

He clearly has the build for it and Nate Jones needs help! Has Col spent much time in the middle as an inside mid? He always seems to be named on the HFF

the coach needs to be better with Sylvia. He is an OK forward, but a very good midfielder. needs to be played in the centre. Maybe with Grimes out Trengove or Sylvia will be stuck in the middle?

Here is list comparing our 100+ gamers to the next worse Victorian team in the Bulldogs and also some highly rated opposition.

Demons Bulldogs Magpies Hawks Cats Swans

Rodan 179 Giansiracusa 234 Johnson 235 Guerra 241 Corey 259 Goodes 325

Davey 162 Murphy 233 Jolly 231 Burgoyne 227 Enright 250 Bolton 307

Sylvia 144 Boyd 210 Lynch 215 Mitchell 227 Chapman 247 O'Keefe 263

Jones 141 Cross 203 Didak 213 Hodge 210 Bartel 231 Mattner 221

Jamar 129 Cooney 188 Swan 202 Lake 199 Kelly 216 McVeigh 200

McDonald 123 Griffen 167 Ball 193 Hale 179 Johnson 200 Shaw 189

Byrnes 114 Morris 157 Maxwell 181 Lewis 175 Hunt 186 Richards 187

Frawley 107 Minson 142 Cloke 180 Sewell 172 Mackie 179 LRT 174

Dunn 101 Higgans 109 O'Brien 165 Franklin 167 Rivers 153 Malceski 132

Hudson 164 Osbourne 166 Selwood 141 Grundy 120

Shaw 158 Roughhead 165 Stokes 137 Jack 120

Thomas 156 Birchell 158 Taylor 118 McGlynn 110

Pendulbury 154 Gibson 130 MacIntosh 107 Tippit 104

Krakour 130 Rioli 111 Hawkins 106

Russell 121 Varcoe 104

Young 116 Lonergan 103

Toovey 114

My knowledge of other teams playing group is not as great as it is with the dees, but I'll have a guess at clubs best 22 makeup.

Demons: 9 players 100+ five, arguably six of these are best 22

Bulldogs: 9 players 100+ 8/9 best 22

Magpies: 17 players 100+ 12/17 comfortably best 22 with the rest being solid replacements

Hawks: 14 players 100+ 13/14 are best 22

Cats: 16 players 100+ 15/16 are best 22

Swants: 13 players 100+ 12/13 are best 22

Now here is a collection of random thoughts;

• We have the fewest number of best 22 players with over 100 games experience.
• Only Jones and Frawley can say that they put consistent games week in week out (I know Frawley hasn't had the best start to the year but he is a quality defender putting up with a barrage of inside 50's every single week). So we have a total of two players that we can safely rely on in a week to week basis to perform to a high standard. Compare that to the Magpies who have a dozen players with greater than 100 games experience who put in consistent high quality football.
• Scarily, this is just looking at it from a quantitative perspective. I think we all know about the quality footballers with experience in the top opposition teams compared to the lack thereof in our own.
• We are going to be in for a world of hurt for a lot longer unless we can trade in or win over some high quality free agents at the end of the season. We are in desperate need for on field leaders with experience.
• With all due respect to Sylvia and Jones, it is an embarrassment to see them run out as our most experienced players on a weekly basis... they're 27 and 25 ffs.
• Jack Trengove is our 13th most experienced player out of 45 listed players with 64 games at 21 years of age. Watts is our 16th most experienced with 59 games at 22years.
• Our 22nd most experienced player is a 3rd year player with 25 games under his belt in Tom McDonald. Collingwood's 22nd most experienced is Nathan Brown with 74.
• What I would give to acquire two or three free agents in Lenny Hayes, James Bartel, Sam Mitchell if only for a year or two.

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Amazing post.. spot on, list hasnt played enough

A gun with a warped barrel and no sight - 44% disposal efficiency

He shanked a few in the first quarter, but the last 3 quarters were good from Col

Poor Col Sylvia cant win....

I have been his harshest critic because i believe he has everything to be a top 10 footballer in the league ( except between the ears).

So we have lambasted him for not giving a rats and whilst he absolutely butchered it and tried to do too much yesterday I see a footballer at least who is having a red hot go.

With so much to complain about at the moment, Colin Sylvia is not one of my major complaints.

someone agrees, we give him so much flak, but for real he is giving it a go finally. Col is playing well and has for already a fair bit now. Had a poor round 2, but other than that was great.

Especially in the GWS and West Coast matches.

There are roughly 8-10 midfield positions open at Melbourne every week! Sylvia is still not running hard enough or winning contested ball well enough to be cemented in the worst midfield in the league. He's a flanker with nice ability to get up the ground and turn back. Of course he kicks goals, thats what happens when you burn 4 open team mates and wheel on to your left from 50 out. It's all continued poor discipline and team footy.

that is complete shower.

He is one of the only ones that is explosive enough to do that at Melbourne.

Dont take that for granted

yes, i retract my statement.

Bring back Jetta and Dawes!

I can honestly say i had no idea just how good terlich and matt jones would be right away, both are certain starters in our best 22!

I think it shows the power of mature aged recruits!

He does it every time his contract is up for renewal, I'll believe it when he puts 2-3 good years together.

He has actually put a good 3/4 of a year together now and is playing good footy. I believe he is going to hit a new gear now as Grimes is out and a midfield position is going to open up. What is even more encouraging is that he is not just getting a few possessions he is kicking goals each week.

The clearest thing for me from todays game is Jamar should not play again unless Gawn and Spencer are both injured.

notice i didnt include Jamar in that core group.

I'm so happy with Sylvia though, that goal today is starting to show his effort.

He's a gun

In: Dawes

Out: Grimes

we may not be a good team, but i actually feel as if now we have something to build on.

Has anyone noticed that a core group of players such as Matt Jones, Nathan Jones, Terlich, Garland, Howe, Gawnanator, Grimes, Viney,tMac and Tappy are starting to build a good core group. Oh and i forgot, especially Colin Sylvia, the guy has now put in a complete start to the year (except for the bombers game, which we all got obliterated).

This core group, plus Clark, Dawes, Toump and Hogan to come in can actually make Melbourne into something. I seriously am confident that this can become our future.

We may not be classy yet, but With Matt Jones and Nathan Jones these two ball magnets can lead us.

Note have left out Watts andTrengove as i am really confused to the way they have been going lately, quite disappointed actually

unfair what you are saying about Dunn.

how about: Completely Destroyed Judd!

what a game from Dunny and hurt Juddy by kicking a goal

He needs to be at senior level.

hell be right.

None are probably born yet.

Probably Nathan Jones and Jack Grimes are my definites

here is an alphabetical list of the Melbourne list

Please List who you think will be in a best 22 when we make finals.

44 Bail, Rohan 39 24yr 10mth 26 Jun 1988 183cm 82kg Mt Gravatt Midfield 33 Barry, Dom 0 19yr 1mth 7 Mar 1994 183cm 70kg North Ballarat Rebels Midfield 17 Blease, Sam 24 22yr 2mth 19 Feb 1991 184cm 77kg Eastern Ranges Midfield
Forward 10 Byrnes, Shannon 113 29yr 7 Apr 1984 175cm 77kg Murray Bushrangers Forward 11 Clark, Mitchell 97 25yr 6mth 19 Oct 1987 200cm 103kg East Fremantle Forward 50 Clisby, Mitchell ® 0 23yr 3mth 5 Jan 1990 182cm 83kg - Defender 47 Couch, Thomas ® 3 24yr 10mth 17 Jun 1988 177cm 86kg Bell Park Midfield 36 Davey, Aaron 162 29yr 10mth 10 Jun 1983 177cm 73kg Port Melbourne Forward 41 Davis, Troy 0 20yr 10mth 10 Jun 1992 192cm 94kg Geelong Falcons Defender 6 Dawes, Chris 71 24yr 11mth 16 May 1988 193cm 105kg Sandringham Forward 14 Dunn, Lynden 100 25yr 11mth 14 May 1987 192cm 98kg Calder Cannons Defender
Forward 32 Evans, Michael 7 20yr 9mth 13 Jul 1992 180cm 82kg Claremont Midfield 48 Fitzpatrick, Jack 3 21yr 10mth 26 Jun 1991 200cm 99kg Western Jets Ruck 8 Frawley, James 106 24yr 7mth 20 Sep 1988 193cm 94kg Nth Ballarat Defender 20 Garland, Colin 85 25yr 28 Apr 1988 191cm 90kg Tassie Mariners Defender 37 Gawn, Max 6 21yr 4mth 30 Dec 1991 208cm 111kg Sandringham Dragons Ruck 27 Gillies, Thomas 15 23yr 1mth 7 Mar 1990 192cm 95kg Dandenong Stingrays Defender 31 Grimes, Jack 58 23yr 11mth 11 May 1989 187cm 82kg Northern Knights Defender 0 Hogan, Jesse ® 0 18yr 2mth 12 Feb 1995 195cm 97kg Claremont Defender
Forward 38 Howe, Jeremy 40 22yr 10mth 29 Jun 1990 190cm 86kg Hobart Forward 40 Jamar, Mark 129 29yr 8mth 9 Aug 1983 198cm 101kg North Adelaide Ruck 39 Jetta, Neville 38 23yr 2mth 12 Feb 1990 180cm 80kg Swan Districts Midfield 45 Jones, Matt 5 25yr 6mth 18 Oct 1987 188cm 80kg - Midfield 2 Jones, Nathan 140 25yr 3mth 20 Jan 1988 180cm 86kg Dandenong Stingrays Midfield 34 Kent, Dean 0 19yr 2mth 24 Feb 1994 179cm 82kg Perth Midfield 28 Macdonald, Joel 123 28yr 6mth 10 Oct 1984 188cm 87kg Mt Gravatt Defender 22 Magner, James ® 17 25yr 8mth 12 Aug 1987 182cm 88kg Frankston Dolphins Midfield 25 McDonald, Tom 26 20yr 7mth 18 Sep 1992 194cm 94kg North Ballarat Defender 13 McKenzie, Jordie 59 22yr 10mth 21 Jun 1990 186cm 82kg Geelong Falcons Midfield 26 Nicholson, Daniel 22 22yr 6mth 2 Nov 1990 183cm 81kg University Blues Defender 21 Pedersen, Cameron 20 26yr 1mth 17 Mar 1987 193cm 96kg Box Hill Hawks Defender
Ruck 15 Rodan, David 179 29yr 6mth 8 Oct 1983 173cm 87kg Calder Cannons Midfield 30 Sellar, James 40 24yr 1mth 24 Mar 1989 196cm 97kg Glenelg Defender
Forward 42 Spencer, Jake 16 23yr 6mth 9 Oct 1989 203cm 103kg Redwood Ruck 49 Stark, Nathan ® 0 18yr 9mth 19 Jul 1994 177cm 70kg Glenelg Midfield 19 Strauss, James 18 22yr 10mth 14 Jun 1990 185cm 84kg Oakleigh Chargers Defender 12 Sylvia, Colin 143 27yr 5mth 8 Nov 1985 186cm 86kg Bendigo Pioneers Midfield
Forward 43 Taggert, Rory 0 19yr 10mth 22 Jun 1993 188cm 88kg - Midfield 35 Tapscott, Luke 33 21yr 10mth 28 Jun 1991 180cm 87kg North Adelaide Defender 46 Terlich, Dean 4 23yr 4mth 13 Dec 1989 186cm 83kg Murray Bushrangers Defender 5 Toumpas, Jimmy 3 19yr 4mth 2 Jan 1994 183cm 79kg Woodville West Torrens Midfield 9 Trengove, Jack 63 21yr 8mth 2 Sep 1991 185cm 82kg Sturt Midfield 23 Tynan, Josh 2 19yr 5mth 6 Nov 1993 185cm 81kg Gippsland Power Defender 7 Viney, Jack 4 19yr 13 Apr 1994 178cm 82kg Oakleigh Chargers Midfield 4 Watts, Jack 59 22yr 1mth 26 Mar 1991

i have a good idea in my opinion.

So look, i think that we all agree Melbourne has a young and very talented squad. Develop your rookies and dont chase anymore (except for the top 3 pick we are going to get) and Hogan. Develop all of our young players such as Hogan, Viney, Toump, Trenners, Tappy, still Grimesy some more, Matt Jones, Kent, Terlich, Jetta, Gawn, Spencer.. get these guys to start to lead from the front and stop making Mitch and Jonesy so lonely (apart from Grimes) in that category.

Get one star, i dont care who we trade, trade Watts i dont care. But get a star (someone on the same level as Beams), do whatever you can.

Every team needs a real focal point and i dont care what any of you say, we dont have one. Clark was supposed to be, but he has spent a huge portion of his time at Melbourne in rehab.

All we are missing is someone who can win clearances and rack up possies. You will see players like Trengove, Sylvia, Grimes and Jones flourish even more with someone like Beams in the team. We need someone to carry us so eventually it can be a team performance of carrying.

It's really clear cut, players like Hogan will never develop if they dont get good delivery, as Watts never got delivery we had to stick him in the defence and it's safe to say the guy has never put in a decent tackle to save his life.

Go dees!

Finals in 2015 is my aim

Sylvia is playing?

love what you say about Toump

In Magner, Dawes, Strauss, Viney

Out Davey, Bail, Pederson, Rodan

Strauss Frawley Garland

Grimes McDonald Terlich

Byrnes Jones M Jones

Watts Howe Sylvia

Gawn Dawes Tapscott

Jamar Trengove McKenzie

Viney, Blease, Magner, Evans

If we are rebuilding a rebuild we need to start to play players that are part of the future not the past Rodan, Pederson and Davey thanks but we need to look forward to 2014 and play players that need to be a part of the plan or players that are young that have to show something. Give them 4-5 weeks in the team, tell them this and if they can't show something bring in the next batch Kent, Fitzpatrick, Toumpas, Davis, MacDonald, Dunn, Couch, Taggart, Tynon, Bail and again give the 4-5 weeks and hopefully we can find a team that really gives us some sort of hope from 2014.

what a joke, how could you drop Bail.

He puts serious forward pressure and hits his tackles with intent.

Rewatch Melbourne and watch the way Bail tackles. He's a gun

Stick Blease on Yarran, make the kid accountable.

I dont care if he learns a lesson, he needs to learn how to become a player.

Out: Pederson, Rodan

IN: Viney, Dunn

Give Toump one more week in the VFL.

Anyone saying that Sellar should be brought in needs to get real. He's a serious spud.

Next week in comes Toump and Dawes..

the way Colin can and should

Lecras will not leave.

He'd be great, but he wont leave

Lets hope so

Magnificent stuff

He has had 4+ years - how much does he need???? Shows very little interest in the game at the moment

OK, you make a fair point. But with the step up of Trengove, Grimes and Jones it would be more likely of him stepping up.

Playing devil's advocate: he yanked the kick.

Not really. it was to a contest

wow.

Get him in.

Do whatever you can to get Luke Bruest or Dayne Zorko

Than well be fine