Diamond_Jim

peanuts... peanuts .. shilling a bag

1965 started as per usual with the MFC winning but of course Barrasi had left for Carlton. I can remember going to Princes Park to watch us play the Blues. Sat on top of an old tin shed with a load of other kids to watch the game. We won that day. In fact we won the first 8 straight and then the unimaginable happened... we lost to the Saints and won 2 out of the next 10 games. Being a Demon supporter has never quite been the same again.

Another good performance by Weideman on Friday night.... I think he has arrived What has impressed me is his tackling and his ability below the knees. In his VFL days he was always where the ball wasn't but not anymore it seems.

hard to see Hunt playing the Lewis role but who knows. He just looks lost at VFL level. The days of the running player are gone... it's the player with the 10 metre burst who is now the line breaker (or more correctly zone breaker). No use going for a big run and then having to stop because all your team mates are behind you.

yep it's a question of degree... what if a club makes a wild ball offer for Hogan just like the Dogs did for Boyd say. Match it and then lose who in the years to come along with the acrimony that comes with a wage that is way out of kilter. The giving club doesn't get to match and force a trade. It gets the option to match and see if it can get a trade at that price. You can be assured that the paying club will not trade at that price because the absence of a need to trade has been built into the original offered price. The smart thing is to sign him up now or trade him. Gaff is a perfect example of how a club loses out even if the departing player is an RFA let alone an FA.

Wonderful night.... so proud

yep.. apparently played 6 games for the Casey senior squad and was then delisted at the end of the 2011 season after only one season. Went to Ohio State for 4 years and now playing for one of the top NFL teams. Great story

Former Aussie Rules player Cam Johnston has left fans in awe with an incredible performance on debut for the Philadelphia Eagles. Johnston, who grew up playing Aussie rules and was drafted by the Melbourne Demons in 2011, is battle-hardened for the pressure of the NFL after spending four years punting for Ohio State University in front of home crowds of more than 100,000. https://au.sports.yahoo.com/bazooka-leg-aussie-stuns-america-nfl-debut-042649020.html

it's time

he's now 27 and came across in 2014 ... played for them since 2015. When did he click .. played 11 games in 2016 and 9 in 2017. His career high game is .. wait for it...... against Melbourne in 2018 with 5 goals

most would say that two early first rounders would be fair for Hogan so you are valuing Neale at one first rounder. Might be a little low but worth arguing.

Out of interest would a trade of Hogan for Lachie Neale be a fair swap or would we need more?

Goldstein is 30 ... why would you leave to be second fiddle to the all Australian ruckman who is now 26. The second ruck has to be able to play as a KPP or he just fills in at Casey. Hell clubs prefer no ruckman over one who can't cut it around the ground. PS.. I see he's been passed by a younger guy at VFL level

it is certainly worth considering. The other problem is that of actual worth as against perceived worth. As one of three forwards what we are willing to pay JH may be a factor less than what a one forward club such as Freo might pay. Not much use if we assess him at 4x $1M and Freo offer 6 x $1.3M. Then we only have the we might win a flag card to play.

the alternative of course is to ask JH to re-contract now...... it's all about balance and next year the balance moves dramatically his way.

and that is a big reason why you trade this year. Other than taking the compensatory pick (around 15 assuming we finish top 4 next year) we would have to match and then trade.... assuming we could match. Even an offer of $1.2M x 6 would be a hard task for us to match I suspect.

GWS tried the numerous talls route with Lobb, Patton and Cameron plus Munford in the ruck. They were all high quality. Did it work... most would say no. Adelaide did much the same and were found wanting against Richmond but it did take them to a GF. When we started this thread the big question mark was over Weideman. That question mark is still there albeit that it has decreased significantly. Nice problem to have.

Wonderful contribution. Worth remembering that ultimately it was injury that caused his retirement and no one could permanently displace him from the senior side. Hope he continues at Casey for next year assuming team balance lends itself to his inclusion.

his peak value to himself is when he is an RFA ... his peak value as a trade (form aside) is this year. Witness the dilemna facing WCE re Gaff and whether they match the offer and then trade etc or take the compensatory pick.

I am kind of used to having 3 or 4 rows to myself... would be weird to actually have to sit near someone

I was using the term 'second round" to distinguish it from a low first round pick. For example no one would accept Weideman as a trade for the a low first round pick (top5) but a high first/ low second round is about his worth. The point I was trying to make is that free agency perversely benefits the higher ranked clubs because assuming they can match offers there is a lesser incentive for them to take the compensatory pick. Mind you I prefer this to the power club getting the high worth pick. Not sure that free agency is really doing much other than giving the players a little salary leverage. Perhaps a subject for the off season.

I'm sure the figures have to go through the AFL and they need to be assured that WC and the offeror can both fit the player within the salary cap.... this isn't bluff poker ( I hope)

not quite they would want something/ someone better than the comp they would be offered. I think the comp is at best pick 18 assuming they finish 17... so call it a very high second rounder. Other than Weideman I can't see anyone in that category that we and WC would even consider. Salem could be a possibility but hell I would hate to lose him. Never realised it till now but the free agency system does in a madly perverse way favour the top teams both coming and "going".

Interesting concept.... so we wait until Gaff nominates his club and then WC can match and then if the nominated club still wants him you trade. No thanks ....the only trade we would consider that WC would be interested in would probably be Weideman. Given that Gaff is an RFA it just doesn't make sense to trade a top 22 player and it's not as though they are queuing up at Casey. Stretch maybe. Fascinating PS: I did not realise that WC would then lose it's compensatory pick..... Which of course is not worth as much to a top club... (doubly fascinating)

Ah the experts are now where many of us were at a few weeks back. Interesting that King mentions trading Jess for pick 7...easy decision ....No. It gets harder for Freo's next 2 first rounders ..but I would want to be sure about the AFL's position on priority picks for Carlton and the Suns. Would also be influenced by what we could ontrade for given the spare salary cap. A mature club looks at these things with a hard head.