Lucifers Hero

His 100th has quietly slipped under the radar.

May he have a career best game tomorrow.  We need him (and his 21 mates) to bring it home vs the Saints!!

12 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I think Slobbo writes well - just wish he would keep his ugly mug off TV and stop playing the bogan on radio.

Thanks to the shadow writers and junior editors who make sense of his half sentences and bogan ramblings...

Nothing wrong with Greene's 'indiscretion'. 

It's not his fault the player is one of the shortest in the league who was in a squat position.  Anyone else and it would have been to the chest. 

He is being maligned for his past.  The umpires missed a heap of free kicks to him then report him based on crowd hysteria.

#givetobyabreak

13 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Goody just stated on SEN tht Watts was probably in the top 2 or 3 players in the team at that point before getting injured.

I Think that's a pretty good answer to all the posters on here calling his season average before the injury.

Immediately after that Goodwin said Watts was no longer in our best 22 but he didn't explain how a player can go from top 3 to outside 22 almost overnight, given that he had been injured.  That just doesn't make sense.  

Goodwin then conceded that perhaps Jack should have had a run at Casey before coming into the seniors (which is the more typical route for players injured). 

I think we were all surprised that all our injured players came straight back in.  Salem, Gawn, Hogan, Jones, Watts, Viney, Tyson.  It smacks of desperation by the coaches.  All those players struggled on return to seniors.  Only Gawn is finding some form.  Now Salem and Watts are out of the team.  One rested the other used to 'send a message to all players'.  

Top 3 to outside best 22, in a few weeks?  Don't buy that! 

Perhaps the coaching panel need to take some responsibility here. 

Not quite the forgotten man but it seems he has put his year out to good use.  Also sounds like he is raring to go next year http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-08-11/vandenberg-sets-his-sights-on-2018

As he is out of contract this year I would not be surprised to see him re-contracted before too long. 

I'm sure it will be a popular re-signing.

Surprised to see Maynard out given the wrap he got from Goodwin and Matthews this week.

I/C: Angus Brayshaw, Sam Weideman, Josh Wagner, James Harmes

Emg: Jack Watts, Billy Stretch, Corey Maynard

In: Brayshaw, Hannan, Weideman, Wagner

Out: Salem, Frost, Watts, Maynard

The strategy has been found out:  the opp mids do not always try to get win the clearances.  They simply gang tackle our player at the stoppage and spill the ball out or get a free kick.  Result is we don't get the chance to get it out to someone on the outside or we have a frenzied kick forward. 

Meanwhile, our two behind the ball are fast running forward and can't turn around fast enough to defend against their mids who have hung back for the receive once the ball spills free or the free kick is granted.

The surprise value of the tactic has worn off.  As rpfc has said it is too easily defended.  We persist with it at our peril.  It will not stand up in finals.

15 minutes ago, Copuchas said:

I'm really quite surprised that so many on here are missing the cues from Goodwin.   His agenda and that of his coaching panel is to win a premiership for the MFC.  There are non-negotiables in how you go about that in the eyes of the FD.  Defensive and pressure acts are clearly key.   The game against St Kilda and a finals appearance this year are secondary considerations because the coaching panel knows that all is for nothing if the fundamental building blocks aren't in place.  

Choked on reading this!!!!

If that is true they have no understanding of what finals means to supporters after so long in the wilderness and ridicule.  We have a chance this year.  Lets take it!

And the impact on the rest of the club:  memberships, sponsors, prime TV slots, fixture benefits, merchandising etc etc. ?

1 hour ago, Captain_Jack said:

Carrying multiple injuries and wearing all the heat for a team underperforming across the board.

53 minutes ago, Captain_Jack said:

He IS injured, take that as gospel. 

Not emotional, others just have access to information you don't. 

Captain, perhaps you can enlighten us without giving away sources etc.

37 minutes ago, Franky_31 said:

Where is it stated he is carrying an injury? or Multiple injuries? I havent seen that. I hope Watts plays and is fantastic. We need him right now, this weekend to help out.

Just being not bad would put him in the top 20% of his best games. But if he is injured the club should say.

A poster in the match preview thread noted he has a disc problem and has played injured. 

Also"It is understood Watts has been limited by a hand injury, with the 26-year-old spotted with a small cast to protect his hand at training in recent weeks". http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-11/late-mail-live-round-21

29 minutes ago, w00dy said:

I think Watts is out with the Weld to come in as the second tall in a small forward line. Reason why - forward pressure.

Go in small in the forward line, and make sure the ball doesn't leave the forward 50 once we get it in there. We often played with that type of setup earlier in the year when Hogan and Gawn weren't playing. Remember Weid against the crows, didn't get much of it, but he laid some big tackles. 

Setup will be TMac/Pedo, Weid, Garlett, Trac, Hannan, ANB. Once the mids get it in there, it doesn't come out.

Nice theory.  The problem is our mids can't get it in there cleanly!  And, we have the worst scoring shots/i50 in the league and last week was abysmal.  The ball just ricochets out. 

Its been a problem for a few months and I can't see how bringing in Weid or just leaving our Watts will fix that overnight.  The fix has to be around the game plan!

Look forward to seeing the final team tonight and seeing what ideas the coaches have to fix our lack of scoring problem. 

It may be MFCSS but I fear the coaches have run out of ideas and playing with deckchairs.

51 minutes ago, watchtheeyes said:

I just can't let this one go...

Watts had 1g, 10d, 3m and 2t last week.

Pedersen had 1g, 8d, 3m, and 2t

Weideman had 1g, 9d, 3m, and 3t IN THE VFL.

Watts has played some big roles in AFL, this year. Just a few months ago. While Weideman has shown signs, but never consistent and often awol.

How can anyone justify Watts being dropped, for effectively a final. He must be carrying and injury, because it just makes no bloody sense to me.

Agree.  We could add Petracca's: 

• - GWS: 3 kicks, 13 handballs.  DE% 43.8.  1 tackle.
• - NM: 2 kicks, 15 handballs. DE% 76.5.  1 tackle

Our forward line looks woeful! 

If Jack is injured I want the club to say that and not just 'omit' him and leave him out on a limb to become a target for all his haters.  Ditto for Salem. 

I get it if Watts/Salem are rested but I don't see the logic of them finding form at Casey. 

Conventional wisdom is that clubs use the last 3 to 5 rounds before finals settling their team.  We are turning our team upside down.  Don't like it!

If Watts is out then Weideman is in.  Our forward line starts looking very inexperienced/B grade with the exception of Garlett.

Our two silkiest players, Salem and Watts would be out and I don't see many clean users on the extended bench. 

Anyone looking at those omissions and our makeshift forward line would think we were tanking rather than playing to make finals!

Melbourne team: round 21

• B: Michael Hibberd, Oscar McDonald, Neville Jetta
• HB: Bernie Vince, Cam Pedersen, Jayden Hunt
• C: Nathan Jones, Clayton Oliver, Jordan Lewis
• HF: Christian Petracca, Tom McDonald, Jake Melksham
• F: Jeff Garlett, Mitch Hannan, Alex Neal-Bullen
• Foll: Max Gawn, Dom Tyson, Jack Viney
• I/C (from): Jack Watts, Angus Brayshaw, Billy Stretch, Sam Weideman, Josh Wagner, James Harmes, Corey Maynard
• In: Brayshaw, Stretch, Hannan, Weideman, Wagner
• Out: Salem, Frost

Not surprised to see Salem out as he was injured last week.  Frost has been struggling.

Our forward line is looking decidedly short unless both Watts and Weideman come in...

Will be interesting to see who gets dropped from the bench.

36 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

The changes this week are gonna shock a lot of people.... trust me 

I'm not sure that fills me with confidence at all. 

Most of those playing well at Casey have been tried at AFL this year and found to be wanting.  I don't see much in-form talent waiting in the wings (except Hannan to come back and Gus if he is ready).

And tbh unless the 'outs' are the likes of Gawn, Oliver, Hibberd, Jetta then given the way we have been playing no 'outs' would shock me!

I just hope they aren't simply shuffling the deck chairs!

22 minutes ago, Pates said:

I wouldn't be against him being selected but for me I think given everything he's been through it would still be prudent for him to continue at Casey. His position isn't something we're in dire need of at the minute and I think he still needs time to feel confident in his body again. 

Much as I would love to see him out on the G again. 

Agree, if he is played down back.  (Unless he comes in to cover an injured Salem)

A different story if he is played as a high half forward or the wing.  In his first year he showed a bit of speed down the wing and kicked a few goals from well inside 50.  He also knew where to perfectly place a kick for Jeffy to get out the back. He can find space and generally makes good decisions.

Gus may not be the best in the league on those 5 attributes but he offers more of them than our army of inside mids.  Not saying he will do all those in his first game back.  But we really need someone with those skills.

You are right, ideally he would spend more time at Casey.  It was always going to be Gus' call and I doubt the club would play him without involving his parents as the club have ensured that they are involved in each step of Gus' recovery.

I doubt the club nor his parents would take any chances with him. 

Gus's dad (Mark) was interviewed on SEN this morning.  His comments: 

• Gus' recovery took longer than he (Mark) thought it would
• Gus's mum is thrilled he is wearing a helmet.  Cheekily added that Gus says (paraphrasing): he is wearing it just to please his mum. 
• Gus is in the frame to pay sooner rather than later.

Garry then said Dees' fans would lover to see him play on Sunday.  Mark did not give much away. 

Its good to hear his mum is happy about the helmet as earlier in the year Mark said she was quite distressed about the head knocks.  If a helmet helps Gus's frame of mind, be it confidence or not worrying his mum, then great.

Don't be surprised if he is selected tonight!

It will be great to see Gus on the G again.  It may take a few games to get into the swing of it but its great to know he would be ready for finals, if we get there...

1 hour ago, praha said:

Lewis was talking us up big in the media today, saying "if and when we play finals" teams will be worried about playing us. 

He is one bloke that is primed for this situation and along with Jones I expect a massive game from him on Sunday.

Apparently the Crows were quoted as saying we had been the hardest team they had played after our earlier win this season.  So could the Crows let Ess win this weak to make it really hard for us to make finals?  Its happened before!

I agree, Lewis is primed.  He will try and drag the team over the line if he has to - the rest just need to do their bit; all 21 of them. 

For those who hadn't noticed one of the coaches gave him 2 votes last week...I reckon it was Goodwin.  Lewis is coming good when it counts and now doing what he was recruited to do

Such rumours are the last thing we need when on the cusp of making finals, especially if the players have heard them!

Could easily be a morale killer inside and outside the club!

2 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

it's the third time i've heard it, and the third lot of journos to speak about it - two directly to me, and now these two

But is the talk of 'shopping' him around, as per your earlier post?

Or is it he has requested a trade to go home after a horrendous year which has finally decided for him where he wants to live.  And that the club has agreed to facilitate that? 

A big difference between 'shopping' him around and responding to a request.    

And maybe there is nothing in it because the various journos and others are quoting King after he 'philosophised' on SEN on a Hogan/lever trade!  It was a completely fictitious proposition by King!

56 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

on the latest real footy (aka the age) podcast, they eluded to difficulties btw hogan and goodwin again, and that we are shopping him for trade despite him being under contract

i really hope it's all just white noise; you don't give up on a talent as special as jesse

Are you referring to the spot around the 21 min mark where they said a club is shopping their star forward around because of issues with the head coach? No mention was made of names.  Was the discussion you allude to about Hogan somewhere else in the recording?

If its a rumour it probably started in the DL Jake Lever thread when someone suggested him as a trade.  The last thing Jesse needs is to be the talk of the town again!  I cannot imagine the club trading Hogan under any circumstances let alone being seen to 'dump' him after his horrendous year. 

Edit:  If the podcast did not mention Jesse, then his name should not be mentioned as it only feeds the 'fake story'.  It could be any number of clubs.  Bulldogs-Boyd.  Pies-Moore.  StK-McCartin.

28 minutes ago, JTR said:

His name escapes me, but the news breaker guy on SEN this morning who is usually pretty good said categorically that the meeting happened.  

If that is true it makes young Jake a liar - he denied it on air in Adelaide.  

The most practical time to have 'met' was in Darwin.  Maybe a casual beer with mates (eg Petracca) after the game in someone's hotel and the likes of Goodwin and Viney walk in and say 'hi' and have a 'get to know chat'. 

Maybe that is a 'meeting' to a journo but not a 'meeting' to young Jake.  For now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as after Scully I detest blatant liars.

9 hours ago, layzie said:

We do need to take the opportunity we have now. Should we miss and go down fighting, I can live with that.

Worth repeating!

Where were all you Watts critics when Jack ran and ran to make position at the G then ran his heart out to kick that amazing goal under huge pressure to win the QB game for us.  Still a spine tingling moment.

He was playing injured long before he was ousted by a hamstring injury.  Remember the back spasms, remember the ankle injury.  He probably is still playing injured.

Many of our players are down, particularly forwards:  look at Garland, Petracca, Tom Mc since the bye. 

I'm over the Watts bashing.  Go pick on some else!

3 minutes ago, DominatrixTyson said:

Kent for Motlop

Motlop is a RFA so there is not need to trade. 

The Cats seem happy to let him go - he has under performed for several years.