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Movement at the station: SEN reporting that Neale deal will get done with 2018 #5 and #32 from the Lions. Hopefully, just a matter of time now! Edit: not suggesting we accept those for Jessie, see them as a starting point.

Known as New Generation Academy (NGA). Not sure of the boundaries. Essentially a club gets first call to take a player in the draft on the same basis as other Academy ie based on points. This year we have Toby Bedford available:

Sounds good! That would make it 5 or 6 in 2018 plus Brisbane's 1st round 2019. Brisbane will go up the ladder but can't see them making the eight so 2019 would be about pick 8-10. I'd take that!

Brisbane and Gold Coast have exchanged picks. The Lions have received picks 32, 41, 44 and 77 in this year's draft, while the Suns acquired 24, 58 and 79.http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-10/brisbane-and-gold-coast-in-draft-pick-swap Brisbane want the points for their academy players but giving up pick 24 doesn't help the bid to get Neale over the line. They may be looking to give up a player (pure guesswork on my part as Lions running out of usable picks). So, maybe further delay on Hogan. Shame we couldn't get pick 13 from Sydney to package up a May deal and break the nexus with the Hogan deal.

Preuss is also a bit of insurance if we don't get May. Won't be as good as May to take on the 'gorilla' defenders but as I said some insurance. Lots of reasons to have Preuss over Tyson. As Mahoney said the goal this trade period is team balance. Player value more important than pick value.

That may be mfc position but they can't force him to go and he stays another year as unpalatable as that may be. It is the manager's advice I was commenting on. Selling the kid short telling him to wait for a better deal next year. Get the best deal he can now. A deal can't be that much better next year.

Why would manager think Freo will offer more next year if Jesse turns them down now? Betting on WCE coming into the game, perhaps. High risk stakes if that is the case. And how much more does Jesse (or manager) want. If the kid wants to go home, let him. Why put him thru another year of angst and speculation. The extra $$ (after tax/manager fee) for Jesse, surely can't be be worth that. If Jesse turns Freo down for $$ he may never get back to Perth.

I wonder whether the GCS position of a trade this year must be approx next years FA comp pick, is being overplayed. They can get a player(s) now to develop/contribute rather than waste a year with May playing out time. They have other good leaders: David Swallow and two metre Pete is pretty good value, if they can get him on the park. One would think the environment and culture needs to come before draft picks. Agree a future 1st round won't get it done, but I have a hunch they might give him up for less than their posturing suggests. A complex trade, camouflaged with swapping of current/future later round picks...

I know that. I posted how we have the sal cap space and how the May/Hogan deals are separate, in the May thread about 30 min ago:

Sounds like fake news to me!!

SFebes has it:

Didn't realise you were such a hip dude!

Read the tea leaves, dw...

I don't think we would wait a year. It looks like May in, is priority 1. Followed by Jesse out, a close second. If we found a way to get May independently of the Hogan trade, the tea leaves are saying we would still trade Jesse out but may be more accommodating in what trade we accept.

And Tyson is interested in North. Tyson was reportedly on $500k pa. Factor in the Kent trade, the more expensive delists/retirements (Vince, Pedersen, Bugg) and the likelihood of Aaron going ? should give us enough cap space to pick up May. And, I reckon we will still have some coin in the kitty to pay our other trade in players. So if we can find a trade that will satisfy GCS we can get May regardless of what Jesse does.

Looks like we are getting closer: "The last bit of news for the day, which we must stress is little more than a whisper, is that Steven May had reportedly requested a trade from Gold Coast to Melbourne. Given the Demons had already claimed they didn’t have room for both May and Jesse Hogan in the side, you would have to think some progress on the Hogan-to-Fremantle front had been made for that development to have any truth to it." https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/10/09/afl-trade-wrap-day-3-dylan-shiel-scott-lycett-chad-wingard-and-more/ Deadline for Jesse tomorrow then? Take your pick: Melbourne time, Perth time, Bali time!!

Pretty sure the deal is significantly less overall. Latest spin is the lure of a premiership is what sold him... Nah, I like the brown paper bags theory and @M_9 's reminder of their billionaire ex President... ? ...who probably has lots of private jets to fly Mr Shiel around...

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl Essendon's financial offer to Shiel was signficantly lower than the other three clubs and he will be paid well under $1 million dollars next year. Really! I get why players like Dusty and Gaff forfeit really big bucks to stay at a club they love and are loved by all there. And, I get why Shiel would spurn the advances and big bucks from Saints and Blues - clubs doing poorly whose coaches may not be there too much longer. But to choose Ess and a lot less money over premiership candidate Hawks is beyond me! Ess must have their own stash of brown paper bags!!!!

Yet the media think Jesse is worth only one top 10 pick!! Complete idiots!! Getting a bit tired of 'media' undervaluing our players and (in a relative trade sense) overvaluing those of other clubs! I know I shouldn't pay any attention but they tended to set the narrative and it is painful!

A fine legacy Brad Lloyd left with Freo! Signed Mundy, Bennell and Ballantyne to one year deals and committed to similar for Sandiland in mid August - at about the time he announced he was leaving for Carlton. Those 4 would tie up at least $ .750m of their 2019 sal cap - good money that could toward Lobb and/or Hogan. None of those guys were going anywhere but retirement. Someone at Freo took their eye off the ball. Why on earth sign them up in mid August rather than wait till after the trade period. Peter Bell must be tearing his hair out trying to right that ship.

Suns still seem keen to get him http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/trade-wrap-hogan-inching-towards-dockers-deal I hope Dom gets a trade he is happy with. He really got his act together after playing for Casey and it was almost miraculous and courageous how he played barely a week after surgery to his fractured arm.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/trade-wrap-hogan-inching-towards-dockers-deal Summary of the points re Hogan: Dockers cooling partly because of Lobb's arrival and partly the Demons are demanding two early first-round picks. the spearhead's recovery from a navicular injury among the pressing issues it has to address. There is still a chance Hogan could remain at Melbourne, but it appears far more likely he will be in the Dockers' purple and white next season. Hogan is unlikely to officially request a trade to Fremantle in the next day or so, but it's understood progress is being made behind the scenes that is inching him closer to that point. But, as they consider such a blockbuster trade, the Dockers won't be rushed. My read is he will be a Docker next year but we wait a few days to hear an official trade request. As an aside, in case anyone missed it @Mach5reported in the AVB thread that we may trade him and 2nd/3rd round picks to Sydney for pick 12. Could come in very handy in a trade to GCS so we can break the nexus between the Hogan and May deal.

That was my first thought when I asked Chook who he was worried about slandering.

It makes sense to Geelong if they had to use a higher pick than 43 to draft Nathan Kreuger, a 19yo, tall swingman playing in the SANFL. Highly likely Crows or Port had their sights on him with a higher pick. To me this is against the spirit of the concessions: for GCS and Carlton to top up with experienced players before other clubs can draft them. GCS is doing just that. Carlton is cashing in the players for picks. The beneficiary in this case is Geelong who get a player on the cheap before anyone else gets a chance.

Very clever footwork if you ask me! Is it my imagination or are the media talking down the trade value of our players out (Kent #72, Hogan one 1st round) all the while talking up the value of other player trades eg Tim Kelly top 10 pick. Lobbe a high 1st round pick etc etc.