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No the players are responsible They are definitely not off the hook AND if they doing what the coach says that is definite

This as the one its the coach!

It's the coach

I worked in Collingwood one time and sat in the Berbers chair where I heard Len Thompson in an opposite chair say that the worst thing about losing was that you got spat on by supporters no matter where you were, While I do not countenance that level of behaviour WE NEED TO GET MORE BRUTUAL TO OUR PLAYERS(REPRESENTATIVES) because if they continue this stuff for too long there will be deaths.

S some good points. we have a good squad i hate to say it BU It's tn coach

Its the coach

It's tgreat he caches job to know. if if missed it he needs to go

Titan I agree with so much you say. AND Unfortunately I can only lay it at the foot of the coach it is his job to get the disparities and variable characteristics available to win if he can't do this get out of the wavy. This is atgiably the best squad in my lifetime, they show they can play with at some times but also deliver this crap at this time THE COACH IS RESPONSIBLE. There I've Shias it FIX IT SIMON PLEASE

Agree wholeheartedly. Have been promoting through various threads and have noted the cumulative effects. Have probably driven people mad by indicating this is a squad matter not just a team. We have replacement and reserves for most positions and we should be rotating the squad to mach a variety of structures and a variety of systems. we can select squads to mach and exploit opposition variety. Its now n the coach to get the total team including psychological and fitness members to perform and win.

I thought Weid was, like the rest of the side great. I would like to see photographic evidence of him from training over the last 18 months. Just looking on the TV Sunday i thought he has really developed some muscle structure in his arms. Like Jackson and others these are still young developing bodies, their muscle profiles allows them the flexibility and speed that they display. As they get stronger with muscle development their other physical attributes will alter. I reckon Weid is comin alone well.

Hard to make changes after a win but we have a strange season. We may need to manage a few players. Loved Jackson and Bennell but they may need to be rested. Both could come of the bench as impact players resting Max and Kossi. id put TMac forward and include him in the rotation with a Jackson and Max. Every player should be aware of the need to pressure opponents, I even saw Ollie chase and harass a couple of times instead of just jogging through the centre after doing his extraction job. I be inclined to rotate Bradshaw Ollie, Viney etc through the bench again using them as impact players. The back line seemed pretty settled and maybe Rivers if anyone needed to be rested. Langdon seems a beauty, ran all day pressured up forward and provided an outlet from defence. Fritta works best as 3rd forward with Weid, TMac or Jackson. its a great problem for Goodwin to have. Hope he can keep the confidence high. Just reminding players how much better they feel after a win than a loss should be an advantage.

The best part was he made time to look up for where the support was coming . He then delivered to that best option. Great handball in front of player moving with pace.

DBrisbane are a young side playing on confidence Jackson Rivers Kossie all get a gig. T Mac can run like a young one ad leave the Weid plenty of space. Fritta should match up well. Maybe leave out Bradshaw and replace with Jones to give a bit of heavy duty experience around the younger lion cubs. Langdon, Harmes Hannah showed plenty of pace. The team gelled today and must have some new confidence so not sure who goes but would be stressing this is a squad for the full intensive season and so it is likely that the team will change for match up, structure etc, involve the players in the process so they decide and fill themselves with no one disappointed and awareness of their role to contribute at 100 %. intensity for the match they are selected. Be prepared to miss the next if necessary for club success.

Well yes it may have been a bit of overoptimism. BUT I have suggested Trac could be The Burgoyne, Jarman solid bulldozer brilliance Kossie could be the Rioli, Betts type, May Lever are a solid defence unit for talks, the structure we had today seemed pretty well balanced. While we don't have a Johnathan Brown, T Mac can play the bullocking Centre Half forward and who knows what Brown might do. Jackson today showed some glimpses of real talent and could become a Royce Hart, James Hird. and Bennell .........well. Long and what's is name from Adelaide ???? And MAX what he can do is still expanding and his leadership is improving. Every premiership team has a number of solid performers and even some underperformers. We have plenty of both. Enough to fill the team and also some handy backup to replace injured etc. Would you rest Max in the lead up by playing Pruess . With Jones as a sentimental favourite you could play into form for the final tilt. Is the coach up to it? So far the answer appears no, but I still expect great things from this team

I'm a little more than lukewarm, I think he debuted well and this hub format seems to provide a good platform for emerging talent. However I would have had Brown as replacement for T Mac, an older heavier body against the Hawks. Jackson on the bench as a burst player to relieve Max who must be rested (managed) for what is a more intensive program. I have always maintained a greater use of the squad picking players needed to respond to the different styles and structures of the opposition.. I really think we finally have a squad with the range of players we need to win the flag. We just need some confidence and some astute coaching.

Good one K. Monet never gets cheaper, but is great value for money. Dland is more affordable.

It is indeed a beautiful thing to see a win I didn't see the game but from comments here there's still much that was not an improvement. We must realise that Hawks play a completely different game. Different structures and personnel. We need to adjust to exploit their game. Another test for Goodwin. Maybe we'll be on the TV next game?

Lots of good observations on this thread. There were many points which show we have the personnel and the skill. We also display some mind boggling poor decision making and poor skill errors. There seems to be still a real lack of confidence, I continue to put this down to reaction to umpiring consistency. Has the coach, the club ever consulted the umpires to ask what we do wrong when we tackle, (we rarely get a free kick for incorrect disposal), or when tackled ( we often get caught for incorrect disposal. We never get high tackles even when opponent is lying on the ground with arm around neck as the umpire picks up the ball. I noted the Clarkson raised the fact there were 69 tackles without any reward from umpires so it may not be just us. The footage showed only North V Hawks. A highlight reel of our game would show mainly demon tackles as the Cats at least got a few so the law does still exist. Had to respond to this as reference to zone was another issue that had me screaming at the screen. It used to be pretty simple, when you have the ball run to space,, when they have the ball run to a man. The Cats had so much time to chip it around and deliver accurately coz they were able to cause a separation. They run around into space to create a mis match and when it happens just exploit that. Guthrie seemed to have no one on him most game and I suspect it might have been Clarrie who just seems to float around alone in between his great bursts of activity. I have stated in the past that results belong to the coach. I continue with this claim. I blame the coach for not using the squad adequately, not ensuring skills under intensity are improved and not adjusting strategies quickly and effectively enough. We are not winning, It is many things but it's the coaches job and his responsibility. He must change something coz what's going now is not working for a full game. We are not winning that's what it's about.

I seem to recall Miller as a player with limited skills.BUT I did enjoy his attack on the ball. He went to the right places and created a contest. It may have been that teamates just bombed it forward where he made a contest but at least he provided a target. He was often caught in that no mans zone, too far out to kick a score but too close to congestion as defenders flooded back. i always felt we did not use his contesting style well, players didn't use the space he provded nor did they use the spillage that he created. Not enough run past and not enough protection. His endeavour and workrate were aspects that are required in even greater measure now and if he could instil that in some of our players we might benefit.

Hey it's not that much of a project brief unless there is no plans for an alternative site . Detail of our status, potential , relationships do not alter if we are looking at Goschs ,MCG railway or Casey obviously site acquisition would require research and I am sure the govt has already comprehensive reports of anticipated populations etc. with an assurance of established partners these projects can be produced. MFC has surely enough partners who can realise such a project. We have been requesting it for a long time.

Good point. Maybe there's a local politician who can see the numbers that will be available.Probably a labor seat that may need the numbers

Hello fellow travellers. Had to spend a couple of days in the city while friend attended funeral and I had a small plaster repair job to attend to. Boral Nth Melb depot is closed due to some rail project and the only place with stock of 90cm Cove cornice within reasonable proximity was the head office in Port Melbourne. They were not used to n handling the quantity i required but were able to stifle their humour long enough to obtain the single stick I needed. I did use the opportunity to cruise around "The Port" and found an amazing space. If you haven't been down there get down andhave a look around. The pPort ground is a compact ground surrounded by buildings and doesn't have a lot of options BUT There a a few very large sites including an aircraft sized hanger for lease. There's still plenty os space with established large businesses and a lot of smaller industrial sites. Melbourne university and Melbourne Grammar have sites including the Edwin Flack running track. The HWT overlooks the old GMH testing grounds which has prttye impressive banks and sme apparent lighting. Looks like plenty of room for development.For balance the CFMEU office is strategically located and they advertise at the Port ground. The government wantts to open up this area and a boutique community stadium and entertainment venue would fit very nicely amongst the residential and business park sectors. If MFC isn't looking at This area of Melbourne they should be alerted to its potential. If there are any demonland reader she with any influence at Board level please get them to have a god hard look. I would be interested in comments from people like Nev who has good corporate judgement and even the Martian who seems to have local knowledge, but please get down and have a look. It might not be the MCG but its closer than Casey with historic links to the city.

All good, BUT, your last para is the most salient. It's not about fair it's about winning. This is where we use the squad to win. Look at the opponents and select the best fastest or negating players. May, Lever OMac, O Mac to Let May and Lever run around. Rivers perhaps. LOchart,, Jetta, perhaps changing off the bench Hunt, Harmes, Trac, Brayshaw off the bench with Viney. Depending how Jackson pulls up and feels Saturday. I felt he was good and is mobile but is still developing and the druggies may not be the best development. CHF TMac if he is more mobile than Brown or if Brown can remain focused on our side and it's plan and not out to prove anything to Essendon. Weird off the bench to change up with either of them. Salem,Tomlinson, Langdon, Oliver, Max all pick themselves Kozi,, Bennel, Fritter, should be there perhaps changing one off the bench.. Id even consider Pruess off the bench to give Max a cut out and provide a more static tall FF. Not sure where that leaves me but fill from the rest ANB, Hibbo, Melk and anyone who wants to beat the [censored] out of the Druggies. Match up with match fit.

A future fund was once the appearance of superannuation. While released for employeesat the finish of their employment it provided investment funds for development. The unscrupulous use of these funds led to the loss of confidence in the funds. As industry funds began to outperform private funds there has been an ideological hatred for them from the liberal party. Costello of course developed his own future fund but still there is apparent opposition to employees/workers having control of them. The latest attack of allowing individuals to deplete their future funds to survive a current economic crisis merely highlights to short term cultural thinking that dominates our society. Sorry,

Oh dear. I think MFC performance and self flagellation are too inextricably linked. One bocomes an alternative for the other. One has been in hiatus while the other can continue unabated. If we could only harness the energy of one to the other the world might be a better place .