Hi ya all
Long time reader of this site, virgin poster.
I have to say I've never gone into the 'Gen Discussion' before and I'm impressed by all discussions in all forums
I was impelled to sign up to contribute to this discussion. Regardless of all your views on this topic there is a general level of respect for each persons views. GOOD STUFF
I'll come out of the closet and say I'm an open gay man and think I can contribute to this discussion. I maybe gay but it does not define me. I'm an average Joe Blow generally.
I don't believe in marriage at all! Man, women gay or straight! But I do know how it feels not to be given the rights that white straight middle class ppl have in this country
This issue is not about left or right wing politics. Gay ppl are represented in both sides of politics and in and/or out of the church. I think I can speak for my community to say all we ask for is the right to have equal access to services and institutions in society.
In regards to gay marriage or civil union, most gay ppl believe in their right to choose. I choose the defacto route. Many ppl here have the assumption that gay ppl are not religious. Not true many gays are very religious and have very close bonds to their god and church. Marriage and church are very close to their hearts, more so than some straight ppl. I think to deny their right to marry in ther church is deny what believe to be a human right. Many sections of churches and religions believe this too. Religion and the church are not fundamentally against gay rights. It's the ppl in power who makes these decisions. It does not make it right IMO.
Why should gay ppl who are fundamentally more religious than yourself be denied a very personal issue, the right to connect to their chosen person to marry in their church. It seems hypocritical that ppl who aren't very religious be allowed to marry in the church
I do believe gay ppl should to allowed to legally connect either via defacto or civil union. It annoys me that if my partner was in hospital seriously Ill, that I cannot be their legal guardian. My partners family would be, and I would not be involved in critical decisions. This is wrong especially if his family rejected him due to his sexuality. His family could take my family house and half of our finances if he died. This is wrong but this is the current legal status. Basic rights I see this.
Some have made the assumptions that kids would be worse of being loved by gay parents. I can say I would have been better off as I would not had the personal struggles if gay relationships were normalised. And I come frome an extremely loving family. Kids don't not care for a mum and dad or dad and dad or mum and mum. They care for love and security. My nieces love me and don't care who I love! They want me to love them, care for them and be secure with me. I'm not sexually permiscuos or effeminate. The gay community are just as diverse as the straight community. We have long lasting relationship and are very functional ppl and well as being dysfunctional. We can provide love and stability just as well as you!!
If nature says we can't have kids, it's not entirely true. I could father I child if I wanted. I can have sex with a women and get her pregnant If I chose to manipulate the situation, but why do that Coz society forces me to. I could love an un wanted child just as easily. If nature is a relevant argument IVF should be banned to barren ppl. Nature has already decided their fate. Nature has decided pregnancy can be manipulated thru IVF. science don't discriminate ppl do
Ok this is a long winded post. I'll end off with that it's people who who deny rights. Denying rights is what ppl do to control others. Control leads to ppl being bashed and killed. Every society does this. Don't think our society is any different. I had a friend who was bashed and killed walking out of a gay club. You may be more liberal in your thinking, but any denial of a human right is fundamentally a issue of controlling behavior