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Well you are wasting my time so what do you expect You and numerous others here need to stop blaming the club because of the poor behaviour of 2 players If they were lesser lights, nearly everyone would want both players out of the club A rule for some and a different rule for others? That's toxic and you never win with that scenario

The thread is about Oliver and a big part of the discussion is whether he's going to be traded or not And his issues are totally related You lack experience and come across as a bit of a novice

It pays not to have favourite players as they can let you down My favourite players are those who get the best out of themselves. Even the average ones impress me if they give their all At some stage Clarrie won't be playing for us but the club will go on regardless I support the club but have critiqued the club when applicable But I'm not going to blame the club for the poor behaviour of 2 players. That's the media's angle and the power of the pen is mighty So don't get sucked in by the media. They're trying to sell stories and with the media, the truth often gets thrown in the waste paper baskets 3 years ago we were the media darlings and they loved everything that we did. That sold newspapers or got clicks. Now the opposite has the same effect Poor old Kate Roffey became the sacrificial lamb and what did she do wrong? Avoided questions like Tim Lamb did ... what's the difference?

They are playing the game Don't you know how trading works? Make no mistake, if the club could trade Oliver, we would. But the huge contract is like an albatross around our neck By the way, when the contract was drawn up and signed, none of this poor behaviour from Oliver was evident (at all) Here's his last 2 years (whilst getting paid upwards of $1.3Million per season) 2023 ... half way through the season there is this phantom hamstring injury that occurs in a game but oddly enough, he stays on the ground Then there's 3 months off (still getting paid) ... at the end of the season all is revealed that he's gone off the rails etc etc and has lost the trust of nearly everyone. Might be traded but again ... the contract He doesn't train properly in the off season (still getting paid) and comes back overweight and unfit. Barely plays a decent game all season That's Clayton Oliver And don't get me started on Petracca

@KozzyCan The only trade that can work for us is for Oliver to become someone else's problem (unless he can knuckle down with us) I'm putting aside his football ability here because we have to The club is always bigger than any individual especially one who has decided to take all the money and give back SFA

Oliver is 100% at fault here and he put the club into a no-win situation It won't matter what we do or what we did, the mud will stick to the club Oliver is toxic (or was) but there is a chance that he might knuckle down

Any club won't weaken it's trade position so there's a need to stick to the 'required & contracted player line' ("he's not going anywhere") It's similar to when a president supports a coach who is on thin ice And the only way Oliver gets traded is for unders. His true value is a couple of decent first round picks or perhaps even more But which club is going to offer that after he's gone off the rails and had 2 way below standard seasons? On top of all that there's a 6 year $10Million deal in place At best there would be club willing to take over his huge contract with nothing coming back our way So you and quite a few others here need stop blaming the club ... the player is responsible for his own actions and this is all on Oliver Ditto for Petracca

Apparently Belichick has been doing a lot of media and many are finally discovering that he indeed has a vibrant personality!! Of course, his infamous pressers pointed us elsewhere but the news out of the Pats locker room was that the real Bill was away from the preying eyes New York would go crazy if you snagged him as coach. There'd be a different story every week! But we might be talking next season anyway *Breaking News* Belichick is 2-1 favourite to get the HC job at the Jets. In front of a long list of candidates with next best being Mike Vrabel at 4-1

Oddly enough, I reckon Rodgers would be happy to do it Bill's way if Belichick was appointed. 9 wins might win the AFC East so the playoffs isn't a pipe dream for the Jets

Now that I'd like to see ... for any number of reasons Principally because of the clash of Ego's between Belichick & Rodgers!! And Bill could only improve the Jets from your position right now The AFC East is not the NFC North!! I was just thinking today on why Bill isn't coaching. Forget his age, the man is a genius I hope you at least talk to Belichick

Well maybe a little bit!! haha

Yep, like what is often said, follow the money But what makes this situation so difficult is that both Petracca & Oliver are revered figures, premiership heroes and match winners. Top players We need to see all that again because after all, we are paying for it In brutal terms, a return on investment is expected

The gunslinger QB's often get leaned on by the head coaches. Stafford can be great at times so a coach might be easily tempted into just backing in the QB Back to the Pats/Beluchick/Brady era where Bill (rightfully) ruled the roost. As great as Brady was, he wasn't in charge Same as Ferguson ruled the roost at Man Utd (13 Titles under the Alex reign)

2 things (A) Why didn't he talk to Rodgers? (B) I don't believe that he didn't talk to Rodgers There was an incident a few weeks ago when the coach went to hug Rodgers and Aaron pushed him away ... Rodgers made light of it but it wasn't a good look It's my belief that the Jets organisation (not the coach) handed over the keys to Rodgers But Aaron is really struggling and right now is playing like an old man

As Rex Ryan constantly says ... Build a great running game and that will make your passing game more potent ... ya gotta love Rex! It's a pity that McCarthy has never bought into the above concept

I'm wondering if Rodgers had anything to do with the sacking? Once you hand over the keys, anything can happen

As for the WR's, if they drop an easy catch it should be recorded as a 'Howler' haha 6 Rec 142 Yards 1 Colossal Howler Dropped Catch WR's can pull the plug on a play but as previously noted, they may as well try and catch the ball because they are going to get hit anyway!!

Yeah, of course he doesn't want to leave He's getting paid $10Million (guaranteed) over the next 6 years and who would walk away from that sort of money? And it's quite obvious that no other club would pay him that amount of money so of course he wants to stay I'm wondering if there are clauses in his contract that can lead to a contract default. If not, those clauses should exist

I agree and I'm wondering why the appraisals and stats aren't more sophisticated It's like people take delight in counting up the interceptions I've seen stats where a QB has been intercepted twice and neither incident has been the QB's fault

If you are referencing Oliver & Petracca then all the furore has been caused by the 2 players, not the club Selfish, self entitled and greedy Oliver went completely off the rails with Petracca sooking it up because he didn't get enough visits Both can play and many will disagree but if viewed as commodities only, they owe the club - big time Both need to perform or the supporters will really turn on them They are getting paid a lot of money and the club will need a return on investment Nearly all the issues we've seen at the club are attached to both players. Both players have dragged the club through the mud If you were Goodwin, you'd be tearing your hair out. We can't expect the coach to be a trained psychologist

@Tolstoys Nudge Just changing tack a bit in terms of the winning and the losing (forget the media for now) ... Things are a lot different these days with regards to our fighting qualities. We may well have run out of quality forwards in '23 and quality midfielders in '24 but we can't be accused of giving up In either of those years. Nor in '22 and definitely not in '21 In the last 4 years, I could count on one hand the amount of times our heads dropped. And it wouldn't be 5 times But take a trip back in the wayback machine to say 2013, 2012, 2009, 2008 etc etc and we'll remember a stack of times when it looked like we gave up But not these days! When we lose it's often when we're well matched or we're running low on talent We are in games on a constant basis. We definitely need to tweak our game plan in order to become more efficient with regards to scoring and I see that as our major issue The list is still in very good shape (if all the players are fit and firing and in the right headspace) The only way to shut up the detractors is to win. And winning isn't easy. It's hard work, but we've got the talent & coaching to overcome adversity and win

Best to ignore the media, the only way to shut them up is to win games. Personally, they don't bother me as I don't respect the media. It's like water off a ducks back But I did notice that we were the media darlings when we won the flag. They were all over us But as we've discovered, if you don't win when you are seemingly expected to win, we went from media darlings to a vulture feeding frenzy We probably should have seen it coming but a flagless 57 years keeps you out of the loop. Irrelevant to relevant has a price And we're well and truly in the loop right now. Welcome to success/failure! So, we need to get fit and healthy again and then start winning And we've done it before but in the last 2 years a mass of injuries has intervened (midfield in '24 & forward line in '23) Not an excuse, sound reasoning e.g. Merrijig to Mt Buller is about a 5 hour, 30k walk. If you're young, fit and healthy, you should be able to complete the walk without too much fuss But if you tear a calf muscle off the bone, the day before the walk, you won't be able to do it Not an excuse, sound reasoning Just got to get it done and win just like we did in '21

When all is seemingly against you, don't let it bother you and counter attack We get written off because we fell away this year but our midfield was decimated In 2023 our forward line was also decimated to D Grade standard but apparently we 'failed' In life and in sport there are excuses and there are reasons A club like ours isn't allowed to display reasons as they are seen as excuses A few scattered injuries here and there would definitely be an excuse ... but in the last 2 seasons, we've had 2 whole areas of the ground decimated by injuries So we get the list fit and recruit well and we'll be back in business again In other words, we fight back and win

I reckon it's because of his pressers ... he doesn't say much at all and the punters are hungry for info I rarely watch pressers anyway as I've always judged the coach on how the team plays So I'd like to see some more enterprising footy with more attacking flair. Our avenue to goal is too predictable. If you were an opposition backman, you'd often know where to go in advance But we need to keep up our contested ball work and defensive structures etc etc A better mix of defence and attack is required And another proper key forward would make the world of difference (I'd have Petty back) HF Petracca/Kozzie JVR Fritsch F Chandler T-Mac (for now) Melksham/Kolt

@roy11 Man Utd committee meeting in a few hours re the future of Eric ten Hag Is he safe?