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At no point in my post or in the season at any point did I say anything even remotely close to JVR being a saviour so I assume you have quoted my post as a more general vibe of Demonlands hopes on JVR. To clarify my opinion, I think the players we selected against Brisbane were the correct choices. The team we put out there were our clear best players. They issue was that a number of them were playing injured and couldn't run out the game at the important part of the season. I've mentioned in other threads that we put these players out there to give ourselves the best chance of going back to back but we probably underestimated the demands on a long season to our players as it had worked last year. I love the positive talk about JVR, but also think that supporters think that his VFL form will translate more or less directly to AFL. We have seen with Weideman and Mitch Brown that they can dominate at Casey and do sweet [censored] all at senior level. It would have been great to have given him a taste of AFL level at some point this year. It could have been 2 games and he would have been better for it knowing how hard the higher level is. I agree with part of your Watts analogy. Watts should have been introduced into the season at a suitable time to give him a taste. He wasn't. Schwab was desperate for anything to market the club and pushed the saviour thing even though Dean Bailey had said only a few weeks before that he wasn't ready. JVR isn't Watts and we are the same club. He could have easily been introduced to the team around the middle of the season for a few games without the fanfare.

Our Draft hand this year atm. 32, 41, 50, 63, 68 1st Round - Nill 2nd Round - 32 (Melb) 584 points. 3rd Round - 41 (Adelaide) 412 points , 50 (Melb) 273 points 4th Round - 63 (Saints) 112 points , 68 (Melb) 59 points Combined Points - 1,440

Where do we end up finishing on the ladder after finals? 5th or 6th? The JVR trade will end up being Pick 17 (19 after academy father sons) for Pick 13 or 14. Caveat: There are more little details to this trade but essentially it is the above.

Trading future firsts has been great for us but there are risks involved that need to be considered. The benefit is that we get a player in a year earlier and are able to give them 12 months development in our system. The risk is that we may tumble down the ladder and give up a high draft pick. The risk was lower this year due to our playing list being relatively well placed to finish higher up the ladder this year. We are now at the point that we will need to play some more developing players, both for nessissity and due to the players at Casey banging the door down. I'm not sure the risk is worth it this time unless we can get a top 10 pick.

I agree to a degree. It was hard seeing us limp through last night, but we weren't winning more games with the players you listed. I think we all would have loved seeing JVR get a few games this year and thank god they are finally trying Smith as a forward, but it needed to be done early in the season.

I agree. I would have liked to see some more youth earlier in the year but there isn't anyone on the list who wasn't playing tonight who would have changed the result.

Personally I'm hoping we start next season with a revamped forward line. Let B.Brown get some rest into his knee and aim to play 8 games leading into finals having him as in form as possible. We took a risk and it helped us get a flag so therefore was worth it. He will be a Demon for life. But we need to replace him right now.

Disagree. He has the tools. I want much more than what he delivered this year though. He has been in the system long enough and needs to be much more damaging. I don't think we have anyone this year who would consistently challenge him for his position at Casey (Dunstan maybe?) Next year will be a different story. The youth have spent enough time at Casey and deserve game time.

Not sure which part of 'time to develop him into a better player' you don't understand.

We go again next year with our next wave of recruits. JVR, Bedford, Chandler, Laurie, Howes, Woewodin and a few new recruits. I was happy developing these kids at Casey but next year they will be ready. Probably time to give Sparrow more responsibility too. He has done his time getting ready. Time to see if we can develop him into a better player.

For who?

This hurts. I haven't seen us play this badly for 2 years. Brisbane aren't even playing that well.

Just looked at IMDB expecting to find some well rated films post speed that I hadn't known about. There were none. Speed is the winner.

Very interesting.. I would doubt we would call off any events though. I would guess that we would introduce a minutes silence tonight instead of calling it off. As for the Queen's Birthday clash, Queen Elizabeths real birthday is 26th of April. We dont celebrate until the second Monday of June. Prince Charles is on 14th of November. I would imagine that we would retain the public holiday on that date and simply rename it.

Oh really? Oops my bad. I was wondering why multiple firsts rounders was mentioned. Still a good outcome for Richmond. They need a talent injection in the middle to bring them back in contention next year. Hopper had a bad year with injuries this year but will bounce back. GWS having multiple first rounders might help our recruitment team this year with bringing our first rounder forward again

We are about to play a semi final after finishing 2nd on the ladder. We won the premiership last year. If ever there was a time not to play kids its right now. It's not like we haven't played kids anyway. Pickett, Jackson, Rivers and Bowey are all more or less regulars. They are 2nd and 3rd year players. Bedford got a decent taste and we debuted Turner. I would have liked to have seen more of Turner. JVR should have been given 2 games to taste the big time. Next year is where our second wave of recruits will come through. Personally I'm hoping for a revamped forward line.

Pop quiz hot shot! What was his last good one?

Taranto would be A grade if he cleaned up his disposal. Great pick up as a free agent by the tigers though. Just what they needed.

They are perfect pick ups for Richmond. Certainly worth what they will give up.

Has to be Llyod. Was shocked when he got his first let alone second

That's exactly it. Thankyou. I've been wondering who he reminded me of for years.

After last night? No. I wanted to make top 4 because I didn't think we could go through the finals series without dropping a game. Hopefully last night was that game. A prelim is a pass mark. Not winning next week will be a failed season. I think you are underestimating just how well Sydney played though. I don't think Brisbane can/will play that well.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/834504/match-replay-melbourne-v-sydney?videoId=834504&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1662165600001 Happens at the 22 min mark of the video. He runs franklin down. Runs forward and looks fine until the next stoppage in play when he knows he has been hurt. Stays on the ground but is clearly limping for a good few minutes and not the same for the rest of the game

Nah nothing like that. Buddy didnt even see him coming and was spewing that it wasnt a 50m penalty to him (probably should have been)

First. It was when Franklin received a free kick. Franklin went to play on and Petracca ran him down from behind. Petracca ran forward but as soon as he stopped running for a moment the pain kicked in and he started to hobble