Demon Dynasty

When the ball hits the ground he is out of the contest. The OP just runs off at will for an easy disposal up the field. For any goals Weid might kick through a traditional mark and kick goal on the lead he will bleed just as many through his opponent having a free reign the other way. One of a few reasons our forward line is a dog's breakfast and all other clubs know this and exploit it. Yet we continue to persist with the Weids experiment year after year....Goody / Macca and Co...get serious FFS or our premiership window is finished and off we go on yet another rebuild!

My counterpart just handed me my winnings already! ?

No JD is really pissing me off...but i did accept a bet on us that might make up for it

I was initially upset at having to attend a 60th birthday but it sounds like I'm better off slurping on my Johnny & coke?

Could you let me know what you had for breakfast GCD

Good story. Does he wear a helmet? Two Ks, JK & KK, playing tomorrow. Hate to be calling the play when they're both on the ground!

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Good points R&B. Sorry i just don't trust Omac at this point. Hopefully im proven wrong tomorrow. You said Omac might be there for others and i hope you are correct here. I would be starting our best KPD on him from the get go which is May.

This is where we fall down a little as a club at times. When we make our draft/trade picks we should be placing a little more emphasis on character, namely a benchmark degree of "mongrel" as part of the assessment! And I'm not talking about sniping which i don't condone....but flying the flag needs to be a non negotiable.

That's a very interesting look at the why. Thinking outside the box a little. The above posts (and others here) lead us to some interesting aspects of last night's match. Namely... - The Tiges allowed the Pies too much room across HB with a very deep zone that started roughly about mid field. This allowed the Pies plenty of breathing space to assess, decide then execute more effectively than usual whilst ALSO staying home (roaming) in their back half allowing them to retain their defensive structure for longer in order to deflect more effectively against the Tiger counter/rebound on the turnover. - The Pies Kicking Efficiency would have been through the roof and i doubt many teams in the history of Champion Data would have racked up an overall disposal efficiency of 81%! 11% greater than the Tiges (70%) with the Tiges also 3% off the general AFL average (approx 73% ... solid pressure from the Pies or skills were off a little at Tigerland...maybe a bit of both?). - Playing the zone so deep meant the Tiges were mostly ineffective at closing out the switch which Collingwood exploited to great effect controlling the tempo, real estate and momentum for much of the game. - As a result the Tiges did not get up into the faces of the Pies across HB or Middle quickly enough. This allowed many more 45 kicks and switches by Collingwood and meant the Pies mid field were not forced to run both ways very often keeping them extra fresh vs their opponents. On the contrary the Toiges' mid field was forced to sweep back and forth from one side of the field to the other on the switch which must have been exhausting and taken its toll. The above also lead to the greatest number of marks recorded against Richmond in the history of Champion data (an insane result/number that sums up how bad the Tiger's defensive strat/effort was last night...mostly the former and the Coaches / FD will surely have to abandon that method from here...everyone saw it!). In effect to wrestle the game back, the Tiges needed to push up on their Pie opponents either through a higher tighter zone or a period of man on man then start to control the game across their own HB more by maintaining possession and exhausting Collingwood (especially their mid fielders) a little more by making them chase. A bit more slow rather than the usual fast break neck chaos off HB that they normally play. - and lastly ...The Pies were damn good (albeit they were given a big assist by a very lax Tiger line up and strat)

From memory Geelong did a number on us by constantly seeking out Tomahawk as they knew he had Omac's measure. Frost maybe went to him after he started dominating a little but the horse had bolted (correct me if wrong on that). If we know Omac can't handle Tomahawk why would you bother selecting him? Surely May goes to Tommy?

Both horrible alternatives also WWSW. We also lack another tallish forward who is able to muscle an opponent off the ball and/or agile enough to run into an open space quickly off his opponent to provide a target with some quick burst speed taking the odd solid overhead mark (including the odd hanger). Our two straight ahead lead up talls are pretty easy to defend against...just block their running lanes (if you get enough time and ball's coming in slow off HB or being bombed in). The exception is a ball coming in quickly, usually straight from a centre bounce but occasionally off a fast rebound from a turnover off HB or in the middle where we have a chance to hit up one of them on the lead. For this to be effective though we really need to seriously dominate the mid field, which we did to great effect at times last year. This time around i fear many mid field line ups have either caught us up (maybe we've lost a bit of momentum through surgeries/late starts etc) or some may have overtaken us.

That's why Preuss should be in. Neither Oscar or Frost should be anywhere near a ruck contest

Nice work Steve

Big time. 7 frees to 1 at one stage in the last. And the same throw that should have been paid against the Pies in the same place at the end of the 3rd was paid against the Tiges. Also the blatant one handed scoop / throw by Pendles in the middle which was ignored at one point. Grundy also treated with kid gloves in a few of the throw in ruck contests didn't help either. Game was in the balance and all these little things can swing the pendulem in a team's favour.

Tracc has as much talent but its the fitness/strength/work rate vs the Hollywood that is off skew compared to de goey

The Pies controlling tempo and momentum of the game by accurate passing (must have a very high kicking efficiency in general tonight) and a lot of switching (keeping off) play around the back. Also being VERY patient waiting for the right option to hit up around the back or on a shallow forward entry. Alternatively they kick it low and flat to the hot spot (more so than bombing) if they have to under pressure in a play on situation. They clearly have a game plan, most players know their roles and play accordingly and they are extremely fit and well drilled. Barring injuries to key players they will make the GF IMHO.

A little Jaded then?

After a heart stopping draw at the cattery... ?

I don't think anyone is saying Kicking Efficiency (accuracy) alone is the sole factor re speed on the outside TGR. As we all know there are multiple factors involved in how quickly and efficiently a team moves the ball. But there's no denying accuracy by foot does play a significant role in maintaining possession, control/speed/momentum of the game and finishing (both generally and in front of the sticks) which impacts on the outcome. Regarding the Kicking Efficiency Criticism... In isolation and based on one game i cant agree more. However, looking at averages over a meaningful base of matches (Say 10 matches plus) the stats don't lie. You are either horrible, ok or fabulous at hitting targets vs your peers who play a similar role under all sorts of pressure and weather conditions. Comparing like with like is critical (as mentioned in previous post) with defenders often getting cheapies around the back, mid fielders under more intense pressure etc. Utilising stats on their own is always a bad formula for assessing any performance but in this instance we are talking speed of ball movement and i would think accuracy in hitting targets by foot (in order to maintain possession during that movement and obviously the ball moves faster in the air than any player can run with it) would be a fairly critical element, provided it's looked at over a meaningful number of matches and done so comparing like with like position wise.

Great call Werridee. We certainly [censored] that one up

I was thinking the same WWS. Might be another 4 years before we get ourselves back to a Prelim! The other issue, as WhatWhat has mentioned, was the lack of any leaders out there on Sat, especially down back. With the removal of any live in game messages coming from the runners and no level headed commandeering from Lewis, we apparently didn't correct some major issues down back eg; lack of switching, kicking long to a contest. The OP says we are slack defensively up forward and Port were overheard in the huddle highlighting this, yet we had more tackles inside 50 than them? Maybe not so great with "effective tackles". We also dominated clearances from the middle and matched them around stoppages. So one would suspect it's what happened once we got it on the outside that went wrong. With 6/6/6 being a significant change from here, disposal skills on the outside (along with run/spread & foot speed of course), especially for teams who were more inside built and focussed (like ourselves), is now even more critical to outcomes on the scoreboard. The AFL average on disposal efficiency % (across all teams over an entire season) is roughly 73%. Taking that into account (and noting it is only one match and yes averages would of course be different depending on where you are playing and some players may have had only a handful of disposals and been super accurate and still played a poor game etc) let's look at who didn't make the grade on the weekend by a significant margin (for arguments sake let's say 5%...sub 68% DE) ... - Hibberd 66.7% - Melksham 62.5% - Viney 60% - ANB 60% - Brayshaw 57.7% - Hunt 50% The more important one for me here is disposal efficiency by foot which helps to control the game (Hawks have always done this brilliantly with maybe last year a rare exception). Unfortunately there are no publicaly available foot skill stats other than trawling through each player on Pro Stats which is a pain. Looking at DE % on the weekend overall....The Power ranked 2nd at 75.4% and we came in 7th at 72.1% so overall we arent far off the usual season average but we still have a handfull needing to clean their act up (and yes some who may have a decent DE but hardly getting their hands on the pill will also need to lift!).

What's your brew CF? Might need a change up

If some of those were so NQR was it a wise move to play them then Titan?

Ding fair suck of the sav....it was damn hot out there!