Jaded No More

Yes and our reasons make sense, and their reasons point to them being backwards inbred losers. Nobody is saying that there's anything you can do to stop them. Doesn't mean that booing a victim is not a disgusting thing to do. I hate Collingwood as much as the next person, but neither Quaynor nor Collingwood do anything wrong in this instance.

We boo Maynard because he physically assaulted and ended the career of a much loved player who still suffers the physical consequences of that injury Booing IQ is the equivalent of Pies booing Gus for getting injured I’m not sure how you can compare the two

As is my tradition when Pies wins finals I’m leaving the state. Sadly not on a permanent basis.

Experience really matters in finals. It’s why I don’t buy this idea that guys like May or Melksham can’t be meaningful contributors if we play finals next year. Adelaide’s best two players tonight Walker and Nibbler have finals experience. And it shows.

Crows with zero composure

She said he should wait for the Northern Territory team

Pies +7 clearances +10 contested possessions +9 tackles That’s the game

Proof once and for all that in finals pressure and contest is key. Adelaide has gone to water. You need guys like Clarry and Viney in and under winning the hot contested ball.

Embarrassing work from Adelaide

Adelaide [censored] the bed Maybe their fans should focus more on their players and less on booing a player who was the victim of a homophobic slur by their own Inbred behavior

Josh > Nick

Maybe don’t leave Sidebottom alone. He’s a handy player.

Mason Cox is an embarrassing footballer

Houston lol

Adelaide need to calm down they’re panicking and their lack of experience is showing

The combined IQ of the crowd is running into the negatives

I don’t want to keep going around in circles, but there’s a reason we didn’t make Peatling’s short list and it’s not because we didn’t offer him excellent money and a long term contract. You can go back to this thread and read some of the comments about how into him we were from some well respected posters https://demonland.com/forums/topic/58889-james-peatling/page/2/#comments And you absolutely did condemn Trac’s behavior. A two second search shows you saying that you agree with Lewis about how poor it is for Trac to air his grievances in public.

How do you know we didn’t throw a lot of that capital and money at a key forward first and failed? How do you know that Gawn didn’t do a mountain of work to try and convince a quality tall forward to come across to us before we even spoke with Grundy? Surprise, sometimes best laid plans fail. Nobody ever denied Gawn has a big ego or that he has a lot of sway within the club. The suggestion that he’s damaging the club, or stopping us succeeding, or scaring away players because of that is utter garbage. We played Schache as a useless sub in a final because Grundy was already renting houses in Sydney while we were trying to win a flag. Perhaps some blame can fall on Grundy? Or maybe on the coaches who thought those two could magically turn into forwards?

Sorry I wasn’t clear enough. I thought the context of the post made it clear that player managers refused to talk to Tim Lamb about their clients coming to the club. I wasn’t trying to be deliberately confusing. And I told you if you want to have further discussions about this in private I’m happy to. I don’t air dirty laundry on this very public forum. I like Andy too much to do that to him, and I love the club too much to have grubs like Morris run with it (and yes many journalists read this forum). I’m also not someone to name drop or leave crumbs and then say nothing else. I feel like plenty of well informed posters have said the same as me multiple times over the past 12 months. There’s a lot of weight to this discussion. And I already told you about Peatling. We were very heavily into him. Offered him a very good deal. We also spoke with a number of potential suitors to see if we could make a deal with Trac work in our favour and none had interest in coming across. McKay (Harry) is one name I know of. Our reputation in the industry is poor. That is absolutely not all on Trac, it’s also on Clarry and Smith and our fall down the ladder, and our court room battles and our boardroom instability. But Trac poured gasoline on an open flame. I think you’re foolish to think otherwise. And if memory serves me right you were very strong on condemning his behavior last year. When many denied the noise, you were one who from the beginning said where’s there’s smoke there’s fire. And you were correct.

I think you’re being deliberately daft. You know exactly what I meant by player managers didn’t want to speak to us. Of course they spoke with us in relation to their clients currently employed by the club, but it was radio silence when it came to their other clients that we were pursuing. And just because the media didn’t report it, doesn’t mean it’s not true. No player manager is coming out publicly and saying that they don’t want to deal with certain clubs. Now that would be unprofessional. As @JJJ noted above, Tim Lamb brought a knife to a gun fight because of the situation the club found itself in, where a Norm Smith medallist and highly paid senior player was complaining about the club very publicly. Even his own management was telling him to stop because they saw the damage it was doing. Trac is not the first nor last excellent player who found themselves at a club that is underperforming. He had every right to feel aggrieved, and he had every right to express those feelings. He just needed to do it privately, the same way other senior players did.

Maybe he's saying it because he knows Selwyn is gone? Either way, he's the equivalent of Ed Langdon in front of a microphone. Zero pragmatism.

I can't say too much. If you want to have this conversation in private I'm happy to do so. I will just leave the below here, which was a direct response to something you asked on the topic. I think you can put 2 and 2 together.

You know I love and respect you as a poster, but Max did NOT want Grundy to come, and it still happened. And as alluded to above, neither holds any hard feelings towards the other because while both failed to make the partnership work, I think both acknowledge why it didn't work and have great respect for each other. Is there an element of Max running the show? Absolutely. But unfortunately when you expect one player to be the captain, the PR manager, the voice of reason, and everything else in between, this is the result. The club has relied far too much on Gawn to do everything, and nobody else has stepped up to help. Not within the playing group, and not within the FD. We have a footy manager who we rarely see front the media, much less when things go wrong. Goody did what he had to do in the media, but was canned for his lack of 'personality' in front of the camera. And since Gus left, we have not had a single senior player step up to the plate to take the burden off Max. So if Max feels like he runs the show, is that on Max or is that on a club that relies so heavily on him to do just that? I can't think of a single other club who relies so heavily on one player to represent them on every level... maybe Bont? And I don't know how much work Bont does behind the scenes at the Dogs, but I know how much Max does and IMO it is completely beyond the realms of what should be required of any player, even a captain. Again I know you are passing on what you hear in good faith, but I do wonder how much those who think "what Max wants Max gets", have done to help ease the burden he's carrying? Perhaps if they helped to run the place, things would be different. And this is not ignoring the fact that Max undoubtedly has a big ego and a big personality, and has happily taken on this role for many years because he enjoys being 'Top Dog'. And like every other player, and human, he has flaws and would rub people up the wrong way. Strong leaders often do.

Some of the behaviour is, absolutely. But of course not all. I imagine you don't know a whole lot about the impact of mental health or neurodivergence on impulse control, substance dependence or unstable behaviour. But unfortunately the impact is a significant one. That doesn't excuse poor behaviour, but it does explain some of it, especially during times of low moods. I wish Clarry would open up about his struggles the way Bailey Smith has, but of course everyone's journey is different.