Moonshadow

Caro's sicophantic articles in The Age of late have almost begged Dusty to re-sign because according to her the Tigers are odds on to win the next 5 flags. Painfully biased 'reporting', hardly journalism.

Perhaps the most ridiculous thing said on Demonland. Congratulations young fella

Prefer a martini

Mitch McGovern re-signed with Crows for 3 years. What are the implications for Lever?

Jobe will turn up as the cheating wife

The WCE team will do theirs dressed as Steve Bradbury

Saty will be there in comando

Can't wait to see what Lever's wearing. Too early?

Pedo's going as, er... himself?

And Watts as a wheel of brie?

Watts is worth more than Frost. Could be part of Lever deal. Yes the rest are crap, but all clubs look for potential to improve their list. Watts, Frost and Kent would get another gig elsewhere. Maybe JKH too

Delist, give away or get a 4th rounder for: Trenners, Hulett, Lumumbles, JKH, Garland Trade to highest bidder: Kent, Watts Frost (if Lever comes in) FA going: Spencer 6-8 come in through trades, draft and rookie upgrades

Soft cheese only no doubt. Nothing hard. Like us

For this year, yes he was.

Injury and family bereavement

Hibberd will make the 22. Not Jeffy or Nev. Too many quality midfielders to fit in Oliver. Plenty of years ahead for him to make it.

Worth little as trade bait. Still young. More value to us in the future as we add better quality to our midfield. As a 5th or 6th mid he's good, ATM as the 3rd he's frustrating. Struggles to hit a target going forward and slow to dispose under pressure. Goodwin talks about things players need to work on to improve. These areas are what I'd tattoo on the back of Dom's hand. Needs bigger tank so that he keeps pushing hard to compensate for lack of speed. There are plenty of slow mids in the AFL who run and run and push hard to get to every contest.

For all the changes we've made over the last few years, there are still a few key things we lack: A) At least two but preferably three A grade midfielders. Most top 8 sides have min 2. By start of 2018 season we'll have one: Oliver. Get Kelly please Mr Taylor. B) True leadership. Crows, Swans, Hawks, Cats and now GWS have this in spades. Ours is thin and flakey C) A gun kpd. Omac, Tmac and Frost are not these. Maybe Lever if he comes to us. D) The brains for players not to get sucked in to stupid hits behind play that result in suspensions. Bugg, Vince, Lewis and Hogan. I can take a misdemeanour in the contest, but not dumb hits off the ball. Grow a brain fellas. E) Jesse Hogan to have an uninterrupted season. This kid must've killed a white dove. Deserves more success F) Greater mental toughness and (for some players) competitiveness. Jack Watts I'm looking at you. G) Quality list depth. A couple of injuries/suspensions in our midfield or forwardline and suddenly we've got Hannan playing chf and JKH on the ball. Seriously??? There's probably more. Happy to have this added to. For those saying it's a blessing we didn't make finals because we'd be scarred from a Port smashing, I say bull [censored]. This was undoubtedly a chance to get the taste of finals and set us up for next year. It's not a failed year, but its certainly disappointing and hurts.

Agreed. Maybe Goodwin needs to get tougher over summer. Will be interesting to see if Watts and a few others are offered up.

Instead of acting like a petulant child, look at where we've come from and vision the trajectory upwards. We are a couple of good players away from being a finals side. Goodwin will burn this lesson into them over the preseason.

Interesting that it was Jake Lever who made a terrible turnover to gift Lewis the goal putting them ahead of us in the 4th qtr

I look at it differently. We are better than last year, we're an exciting team to watch when our game is on (which is more often than not) and we might play finals for the first time in the life of some of the miserable, over the top posters on this thread. Despite yesterday, our club is on the way up. Maybe a key back and an A grade outside mid away from being a chance. Max and Viney did not look to be in party mode, but I'd say they are entitled to smile every now and then.

Our % now below WCE

Might be tightness. No strapping or ice pack

Interesting that Hogan has run out with the players doing warm up