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I'm probably in a minority here but if Brown were to choose someone else as his desired club I would be quite ok with us luring Jesse back to us, as long he didn't cost us a lot. Say whatever you like about him but while he was in Melbourne and fit to play he performed to a high level most weeks. And really the biggest (most consistent) off-field distraction was always to do with when he would be going back to WA. If he came BACK to us surely that would put those questions questions to bed. I've got zero doubts that he's got internal demons he's fighting, but is he actually better in WA? Seems like he's got worse looking from the outside in.

That's a great little off-season win if true, he's done a good job with what he had over one season so hopefully two seasons gives him a chance to really hone the attitudes and fitness of the playing group.

Tommy as a FB is a fairly unknown quantity right now, he hasn't played there properly in years. Would be interesting to see how he'd go there, I'm wary of dealing with the Pies as I can't think of one single trade we've done with them where we have actually come out winning. They always seem to give us their spuds while making gems from ours.

I think this is a very good measure of the bloke, he has had an awful year and instead of taking the deal in font of him (I was to understand it was 4 years I believe) he backed himself to have a cracker of a year and get a big deal sewn up. Instead he's now a project to revitalise that will do a lot better at a club that has a chance of competing than a team that seems to have the rats fleeing off a sinking ship. If he chooses the bombers it'll be because he's chasing the coin, if he chooses us it'll be because he feels he can have a chance at something. I genuinely feel like we're a good fit for him, perhaps a performance based contract will be his best motivator for us.

He's one of a few players that I feel like he could've been better than what he turned out to be with better development in place, still he's managed to get himself to a very solid AFL career and certainly became a cult favourite at both the Dees and Pies. All the best Dunny.

I know this is off topic but the Fox Footy article has a mention of something that makes me roll my eyes every time. They claim this great victory that Howe was turned from forward into defender. When he left us he was playing in the exact role he's doing at the Pies but when he left they said, "you are a forward and we will play you there". Sure enough he goes to the forward line and is useless, they switch him to defence and say, "jeez Bucks is a genius moving Howe to defence!" Anyway, mini rant over. With Tom there was be a hint of sadness about him leaving, he was pivotal to our 2018 Finals run and provided one of my favourite moments in recent Dees history with his winning goal agains the Eagles in 2017. I confess I was actually a little happy when I heard a few weeks ago that the word was he was staying and setting himself to get leaner and closer to his 2018 body shape (apparently he bulked up to match the gorilla style defender and improve his contested marking). But it does also seem like there's a fracture in the relationship between club and player, he's been taken over by Wied and LJ, and in the games he's played he has shown little to give us confidence of a return to form. It could well be that a change of club could be a good thing for him, and moving him on will free up our salary cap. It's sad, but I hope whatever happens (stays or goes) the Dees fans treat him with the respect he's earned over his years with us. Certainly the garbage that has been said about Oscar would understandably make him want to get out of here.

I think you're taking Viney's words and twisting them to suit the narrative you're trying to spin. Viney's comments on the midfield being selfish is more about the bees to the honey-pot idea where too many of our guys seem to dive in to get the ball almost blocking others out of the way. I even remember one point where I think one of our players essentially tackled his own teammate to extract the ball. I hate to say it but they all do it, Clarry included. The other knock on Oliver (and the midfield) that may not be selfish but it's not a great attitude is to palm off responsibility of the play to other players. I remember one of our closer losses when we had a chance to come back into it he won a free kick in the middle of the ground from the bounce and rather than taking a breath and backing himself he handballed it (poorly I might add) to one of our younger players and put him under totally unnecessary pressure. Now this talk about Clarry and Carlton is scuttlebutt anyway, but if he has problems than he should do what Trac did and confront the issue and take the necessary steps to become better.

I wonder whether on top of Preuss there could be a mixture of exchange of picks to improve our draft position. Like many here I'm of the opinion that as a contracted player we shouldn't accept tiddlywinks for him. While I accept that given he hasn't played a lot of senior footy that doesn't rate him super highly he has been kept out by two of the best ruckmen for the last 5-6 years (bizarre choice by him to come to us!) and many believe he would walk into the number one ruck spot at quite a few clubs. So he isn't worthless. To us he is back up to Max and he isn't getting any younger. Ideally I would like to see us have a look at their list see if there is someone in there that might be able to fill a role who is from Melbourne and keen to come home.

I feel I’m in the minority here but I like what little we have seen of him once he gets into games. Early I think he’s got a little lost with the speed of everything and like many others he’s probably suffered with lack of proper 2nd tier competition. But 2021 could be the year he takes his game up a level and starts to feature regularly.

And Jacko’s mullet ?‍♂️

If the FD felt satisfied with the list than we wouldn’t be looking to trade anyone in. They are clearly going after certain positions: FF and opposing wing to Langdon. I would hope that the other area they know we are very average in is speed and skill in the middle, a true outside player who can burst from the pack and hit up a target (and yes I know they don’t grow on trees). I think we’ve got some quality in most areas of the ground, but we need to go further. Ideally I’d like us to go after higher end talent but if we can get Brown back to form than we have a Coleman medal-competing FF.

The names and ages we’re going after definitely indicates the club feels a lot of the ingredients are already there, we just need to complete the puzzle (and then get a cohesive and clear game plan).

I have memories where he would kick a bag on us and 4 of his 6 goals came from soft free kicks. Personally I’m on board with getting him, do due diligence on his to see what the circumstances where that lead to his awful 2020 and work out what needs to be done to fix it. As for the way he plays, before 2020 the way he played was to kick lots of goals and consistently be in the Coleman medal race. Two questions will be firstly what will north accept as trade for draft picks, secondly should we get him do we basically have to do all we can to move TMac on? If not do we move him to defence permanently?

Actually I’d say typically players end up getting less if they stay compared to leaving. Perhaps we have an extra year on the contract as our carrot.

I haven’t watched any of the finals live, I just checked the score. We’re there seriously only three points scored in the entire third term? Did the cats shut up shop to kill the game? Hopefully the cats are garbage next week.

I’m really glad he’s signed on, 5 years you might argue is too much but this basically makes him a Demon for life. There was a lot of criticism for Jack at times this year but as it said in the article, he and his wife had a newborn when they packed up and went into the hub. He had every right to say to the club he was staying behind with his wife and kid while they got through the first part of their daughters life, but they brought their newborn into hub life which must have been extremely taxing at times for all of them. It’s a little gutting to heat that he really considered going to Geelong but I’m glad he’s stayed. His motivation of his relationship with Goody shouldn’t be underestimated either, Simon has good connections with the playing group. Now, as Jack said, they need to take that next big step on the field. Btw @Wiseblood I PM’d you but no need to pm the article anymore.

If that is true I would absolutely go after him.

First off this is a great appointed, forgetting that he’s a favourite son of the club he has lots of runs on the board as an assistant to the best coach of the decade. The fact that he is a favourite son who gave us some great memories just adds an element of romanticism to it that warms the heart after a frustrating year. With all the chatter about what this means for Goody there’s a couple of different schools of thought. For me the way I look at it is this: entering into a season where it was always finals or bust for Simon we have managed to get him the assistance of one of the highest rated assistant coaches in the game. It minimises the excuses for Simon and he should be stoked to have someone of Adem’s quality on board. The other way to look at it is this: the club isn’t confident in Simon’s ability to lead the team and is putting a succession plan in place in advance with Yze potentially taking over mid-late next year if results go poorly. It for now can we just not enjoy have Oooooooooooooze back at the club?

Played well for us while he was a Demon, we shifted him to the forward line when we knew he was on the way out. Got pick 3 for him as compensation and got Gus from it, we've done ok. Good luck to him, people need to get over his departure.

I'll admit I'm saying this as someone living in the UK, but surely with averages getting under 10 a day by the time the new season not coming until March the numbers will be such that crowds will be back with them being close to full capacity. Then again who the hell knows in this crazy world of ours! I actually feel like the smart thing to do for next year would be for the AFL to actually throw all profits from matches into a pot which is then equally shared. The reason I say that is because of this year certain clubs were able to benefit from crowds and others weren't, that's not fair, and next year should there be restrictions imposed early but then released further into the season it means a team (like us for instance) will have a blockbuster only at say 50% but then a team like Richmond could have one later in the year at 100%. Again that isn't fair. Share the spoils for next year and sort it normally for 2022. EDIT: Also adding that given we were expecting both ANZAC Eve and QB the same year perhaps look at renegotiating when we have which days so that we aren't left with all or nothing.

I don't think some people would realise the optics of Jack leaving the club and how much of a negative impact it would have on the playing group. I'm not saying that that put him in a position of "pay me everything" but look at how bad it looks for Essendon that Daniher is leaving them, it just looks ugly. I'm really happy that we have Jack long term, his best can be absolutely brilliant but there are lots of things he needs to work on and I'm sure he knows that better than us. Looking forward to watching him out on the G again, crashing in with no regard for himself and always doing the team thing.

2 years is a good extension for him, he’s got some very good attributes but there are plenty of things he needs to work on (starting with accuracy!). And Max, I’m sure it was a joke but don’t name him as the future Coleman medal winner again!

100% people need to remember these people are humans doing their chosen profession, Oscar has put on the Red and Blue and ultimate has played in two winning finals (doing a decent job). I think moving him on is the right call for both club and player, he’s behind the obvious choices and now seems to have moved even further down. He can have an opportunity at another club and the Dees fans can move onto a new whipping boy. Good luck to him.

This was in the article regarding OMac today: “Preuss has two years to run on a contract at Melbourne” so that means we have him signed for 21/22? If so definitely play hardball, it’s maybe a little unfair to Preuss who would want regular senior footy but if GWS want him they will have to come up with a decent trade.

So what was said about those two? Finals or bust must be obvious to everybody, including Goodwin. You would assume everyone gets run over with a fine tooth comb with Goodwin it being based on what areas he needs to improve in to get the team achieving the best their capable of. Mahoney is an interesting one because I remember Roos being very complimentary or him but he should be heavily reviewed given the lacklustre results the last two seasons.