binman

Yes i noted that but not adequately documenting something isn't the same as no records

That's funny BB. I put those search parameters in and looked. Got to page 3 before getting bored. Not one redirect quote from an EFC person. Plenty of Sainstsationaal, Big Footy, the roar gosh even DL, but not one official from the EFC saying they did not have records. This goes to my point that it has become an accepted fact (presumably because the EFC have spun it this way and people have bought it). It might be true but forgive me for being scpetical

Not sure this is the case but be happy to be proven wrong

When? I'm not being a smart arse, but i don't recall EFC ever saying there are no records. I can only recall some journos suggesting it

Nothing to do with EFC but i thought given the popularity of this thread i would put it here. I created a thread on thye sports forum called Autumn carnival. It included the following message: I've never ventured onto the other DL forums before. Spooky world. I came looking for a thread on the Autumn carnival. I love horse racing, though these days limit by punting to the Autumn and Spring Carnivals. I thought about joining a horse racing specific site (Punters.com looks pretty good) for cyber chat but getting to a whole new site and posters leaves me a bit cold. One sport forum is enough for me I'm not sure if anyone is interested in a dedicated topic on the carnivals but i know from comments (and at least one avatar) that there are some punters on DL. I was thinking some chat about tips, thoughts on match ups or other racing related chat (eg which online bookies are any good, cobalt etc). Anywhoo i'll put it up and see.

What stance? Who's stance? I ask again when has anyone connected to this saga categorically said there are no records?

I've never ventured onto the other DL forums before. Spooky world. I came looking for a thread on the Autumn carnival. I love horse racing, though these days limit by punting to the Autumn and Spring Carnivals. I thought about joining a horse racing specific site (Punters.com looks pretty good) for cyber chat but getting to a whole new site and posters leaves me a bit cold. One sport forum is enough for me I'm not sure if anyone is interested in a dedicated topic on the carnivals but i know from comments (and at least one avatar) that there are some punters on DL. I was thinking some chat about tips, thoughts on match ups or other racing related chat (eg which online bookies are any good, cobalt etc). Anywhoo i'll put it up and see.

No, nor am i. Which is strange on a number of levels. One, as i said it is almost an accepted fact that there is no records (though from memory Ziggy did say record keeping was poor - though telling not non existent). Two - if there were clear records then if EFC are adamant they are not guilty then such records would prove this. Three - if there were records would not have ASADA made this clear? (though to be fair there is no reason they would need to)

I agree. If we lose on Thursday. I disagree if we win

On the topic of records, has anyone from EFC, or ASDA and/or the AFL for that matter, actually said there is no records? if so when? I'm wondering if it is a rumour the compliant Hun reporters might have put out but i don't recall any official statement on this issue. It seems as if it has just been accepted as fact the records are missing. Perhaps there are records but somehow there is a benefit to letting the idea there isn't get traction?

Good post. Not only does he show the characteristics of a classic fraud he also shows characteristics of someone who can't help but want to inject himself into the story and keep himself relevant to the discussion. Look at the timing of his various media interviews and how often they say nothing but provide a few sound bites that can fuel a little media buzz and provide him with a little profile. At least this time he didn't bang on about his pathetic line of seeing all and sundry in a court of law where his righteousness will be be displayed and dragons will be be slayed

Great post.

Not sure what you mean. He is smiling in that photo. The Hogan smile. Love to see him angry

And lets not forget he was just a kid at the time (still is really).

Lord have mercy! My subtle campaign has been successful. Thank you DL and all who voted for my man Dunn.

Who by the by looks pretty fit. Playing nab gamed apparently

C'mon stop it. Ya messin with me DL. Has to be dunny

Don't invite Col Sylvia then. He's gotta focus on getting back to the seniors

Credit where credit is due. Good work mfc

Yes. Annoying posting using the phones. I quoted you because you made the point I am trying to make. It is up to adada to make the cade players are guilty. The burden of proof is theirs. Not sure what you mean the onus is on the players to defend themselves. That's a funny way of stating the obvious. In any cade it is not entirely true. Asada may not mount a credible case in which case the players would not need to respond. As for DC. He quoted the relevant legislation that made it 100% clear burden of proof is on asada. It is impossible to argue otherwise

The onus is simply not on the players. I think I'll believe the former CEO of Masada rather than random DL posters. Or a sports lawyerhttp://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-has-its-work-cut-out-for-it-in-proving-a-case-against-essendon-players-20131220-2zqr9.html

Wj we need your help

Sue good points well made. My main point is that it is simply not the slam dunk Bb and others make out. Asada will have a hard task getting a guilty verdict

Yes but you make it sound easy to prove this. ASADA has the burden of proof to establish to the tribunal comfortable satisfaction they players actually were administered banned drugs. Its not a simple matter to do this. Its up to ASADA to make a compelling case not up to the players to make a case why they didn't used a banned drug. They get to defend themselves and make rebuttals.