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Oh. Wasn't potting Mystic Journey. Thought it would win today. Lamenting my stupidity of not backing it in its last few starts Top win by Mosh Music. Good will to win.

Sorry have i missed something? I can't recall questioning any of the best bets. Had funny day. Went hard at three short favs in Sydney. Only Arcadia Queen got up. Defied the pattern too. very impressive win. But snagged thinking big at good odds and finished the day with a nice win on Mosh Music. Was amazed what it ended up paying. I had assumed it would start around 7-1. Normally goes the other way!

Leaders bias at Rosehill a pain. Mainly because the horses i picked are not leaders (except thinking big)! bivouac just joined my [censored] list

Rough start to the day for me. But snagged thinking big and dalsaan (both tough wins) to right the ship

A number of good things in Sydney tommorow, on a day where I expect favorites to dominate up there. My best bet of the day is Rosehill Race 4 no 3 Dabiyr. The import will give us another reminder how average our home need stayed are.

Is that you deeeluded?

I only know my best for the day one I've done full form for Vic and new and assessed prices and determined who I will ultimately select. But i can give a less researched best easily enough and will put one up tonight.

I wouldn't say i was a Lever doubter but its fair to say nor was i completely sold on him. But i could not have been more impressed with his attitude and approach in the last two games of the season, particularly in the horror game against the swans.. You learn a lot about people in adversity and when things are not going well. And Lever raised his intensity and will to compete and provided a clear example to others. That is leadership. He makes a terrific point about the best defenses playing together regularly. Its absolutely critical and a huge reason why the Tiger's back half is so effective.

Annoying the winning post comes on Fridays (it used to be Thursday) so i can't do my form until tonight and tomorrow morning (i'm a creature of habit and always use the WP). Will post my best as early as possible tomorrow morning. So annoyed i went with kenedna last week. I only marked three in that race, Homesman being one - a horse that i have backed in all its previous wins. Went with the fear of missing out on Kenedna again (Santa Anna Lane is another of my bogey horses). Never looked like it and as i have posted I love leaders and Homesmen won out front like a good thing. Lets hope Homesman and Mystic Journey square of in the Cox Plate. Winx was great but not much fun for betting

Great day's racing this Saturday. One of my favorites days on the calendar. Group racing in both NSW and Vic and good horses prepossessing to their grand finals in both states. Mystic journey is the real deal, but i can't quite bring myself to back it. An insight into my punting psyche is that the reason is that on prelim final day last year i flew to Perth and when doing my form on the plane i though to myself Mystic Journey is surely the vibe bet. Logic won out and i picked something much shorter. But the vibe was the go as Mystic Journey won at very long odds. And has cost me money since! For example in that new ballot race in the Autumn where i convinced myself he would get rolled.

How do you know the Hawks rate him?

I can understand why people would not want to lose Frost. However looking at it objectively my sense is that there might be tendency to over rate his performance this year based on him being one of the few players who improved and gave us some joy in such a truly dismal season. As an example many. myself included, might have assumed metres gained might have been one of his strengths given his speed and desire to run and carry the ball. But the stats suggest that is not the case If we trade him we will see where the market rates him. Late second round would be my guess.

Normally I would either ignore such a mindless, rubbish post or make some sarcastic, facetious comment. Didn't want to do the first. Couldn't be bothered with the latter. So I will instead I'll respectfully ask you to sod off.

Spot on doc. We were close to folding as a club when Jimmy saved us. And after the neeld era we may have been a little bit better financially (just) but our playing list was a shambles. It takes sustained sucess over say 10-15 years to build really strong depth. It is one reason clubs like swans, cats, hawaks and eagles can stay up the top. And coversely why it is so hard to rise up the ladder.

A serious question. If the cl6b want to know what hard core members think about the club then demonland would be an obvious place to ask. A for profit business would salivate over access to such rich and diverse feedback from customers. Do you think the club would be interested in some form of interaction with dl? For example a thread where a rep responded to questions? Would you (thats to say you) be open to such an idea? I recall some comments that Schwab might have posted (before my time on dl) at some point.

My take exactly. His turovers are too damaging. They would not be such an issue if lever hibberd and hore were not also turnover merchants (albeit not in frosty's league). But they are.

Agree. I have used him as an example of the sort of player we need for a couple of years. My guess is his asking price is too high. Who knows if accurate but there has been talking of him asking for up to 800k a year.

I've got it. A bit of yze magic mixed with basil and you get hey pesto.

Wouldn't trust that demonblog fella....

Um, if keen on knowing what Demonlanders think about the idea of drafting Adam Tomlinson, this thread would be a good place to start

Another opportunity to pot Roos? That seems to imply that i have been a relentless critic of Roos, which is simply not to true. And unfair i might add. I have made it abundantly clear over the years that he was fantastic for the club, made plenty of great calls and that i have full respect for what he achieved. I reiterated this view only recently. My recent criticisms of him, albeit pretty mild ones, are related to what i see as him failing to take responsibility for his part in where we are at present. Roos loved the adulation and roosy chants during last years finals. And well he should, he had much to proud of in terms of his role in our journey. He, Bartlett and PJ were the key architects of our rise. But you can't take partial credit for all the good and not accept responsibility for some of the bad, in particular recruiting and trading decisions made under your watch that still impact the club. I'm not 'one of those' that that attributes all the bad calls to Roos but i'm also not 'one of those' who think Roos was the messiah who could do no wrong.

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On roos and our need for an outside player with elite skills it should not be forgotten that under his watch he ticked off giving up pick 3 for Salem and Tyson, meaning missing out on Kelly. I supported the decision at the time, but history has not been kind and there is no doubt in hindsight it was the wrong call. The argument that we would have picked up billings doesn't wash with me for two reasons. One, I suspect it is not true and besides they actually never had to make the call so who really knows what they really would have done. Second, if they had taken billings they would have made an error in terms of judging talent and the type of player our list ultimately would need. Besides even if they had picked up billings he would have provided more outside run than Salem and Tyson.

That may be true (Roos not rating him). But roos argued he was surprised we were into him Tomlinson because we need outside run. Yet that is exactly why we are keen on him as he is an elite runner (regularly topped has time trials). Maybe he meant outside player with elite skills (e.g. hill). I've said it before but jeez I would have liked it if roos had targeted such a player when he was coach, instead of so many meat and potato contested ball winners. Surely given we dont have to give up anything to get him it's a good deal for us.

I don't think goody will review this season. Put it behind us. Wasn't the Melbourne way. (Insert sarcasm emoji here)