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Great quarter, but disposal and composure under pressure (and even not under pressure) still our Achilles heel. Can't question the intent, but we're still pretty rough around the edges.

You only have to look at this thread for confirmation that he was right. Self-indulgent wallowing.

More like mistaking emotions for judgement (reason). In reality, emotions are a necessary component of decision-making. People who for whatever reason (brain damage/accidents) don't have access to their emotions are almost incapable of making even the simplest decision (what will I have for breakfast). It has to be said though, that all this irrationality is there for a reason. We made it to the top of the evolutionary tree not because we make better decisions, but because we got very good at making decisions efficiently (time/energy). But efficiency doesn't always equal accuracy and the corner-cutting that our brains are programmed to do comes at a price. Go Dees.

Q.E.D.

Not quite idiots, but it would take a page or so on behavioural economics, cognitive biases and heuristics to explore further, with a few quotes from Daniel Kahneman thrown in for good measure. We like to think of ourselves as thinking machines who feel, but in reality we're feeling machines who think. So we spend our lives making up stories to explain what we feel, where the easier those stories are to make up, the more we're convinced that they correspond with what happened. In short, w'ere not idiots, but we are predictably irrational.

It's also about games played, and just as importantly, games played *together*. Re the former, worth remembering that Max Gawn has played less than 100 games. Apart from Grundy, most other decent rucks in the competition are all around/over 200 games. (McEvoy, Goldstein, Ryder are the ones leading the ratings)

Return key stuck?

3 due to injury or coming back from injury. Hibberd replaces Hunt, but Melksham isn't the replacement for Hogan, Weideman is.

No it shows that we have players going out injured who we need to cover, as well as players coming back from injury who we need to find a place for. The other 2 changes - which constitute just under 1/10 of the team - are form/performance related, though even there, they're largely part of juggling players as a consequence of others who are out injured - JKH wouldn't have been in the team in the first place without injuries to Viney and Stretch (and perhaps Maynard). But heh, the sky is falling.

Sure, they don't define the year in themselves, but they're an important element to be taken into consideration when looking at outcomes. (Though you also missed Tom McD, absent for the first 5 games.)

Actually, the team we're putting on the park is quite a bit younger than Hawthorn's. But heh, facts.

No, but it does dictate consistency - and that's where we're falling down, both across games and within games. For the moment.

Physiologically speaking, these players are measured, analysed and spreadsheeted to within an inch of their lives. If there's any underlying fatigue, above and beyond what could be expected at this stage of the year, it would be known. Presumably he's right to go. And yes, while Spargo has had a long season as a first year player, his load is already being managed within games, where he has one of the lowest game times (only 69% against the Swans).

Happy to see Spargo backed in, and not surprised to see it. He made some poor decisions last week - but won't make them again. It's called development.

This, a thousand times this. THIS is why we lose matches we "should" win, and why teams like Richmond don't. FWIW, the full image:

Yes, but Oscar, Lever, Hogan are only a year or two ahead of that group. And Gawn is still very "young" for a ruck. Equally though, I think it says something about the time it takes for KP's to develop.

Ah, some perspective, with a reasoned argument to back it up. Rare around these parts at the moment. Thank you.

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If you find you're getting too knocked around by following a football team - which be definition and like all sporting teams will be up and down, even often down - then perhaps it's not for you. Seriously.

I'll disagree with you on that (while of course, agreeing as well ...), because I don't believe these things ever come down to one match, one decision, one player. It's a cumulation of events, in this case, an accumulation of losses, in particular those against Geelong x2 and St Kilda. Sydney were *always* going to be difficult to beat, the other 3 matches were more achievable wins. Though even in those, players out (Viney, McDonald, Lever etc.) contributed IMHO.

If it was just Hogan, maybe. But it's not. You cannot take 3 of your key players (Hogan, Viney, Lever are about as "key" as it gets) out of the team and expect to get anything like the same level of performance. If that was the case, then you could argue that Carlton should be in the 8. I'm as optimistic as they come, but I'm also a realist, and this is just a bridge too far.

The mind boggles.

Or maybe he's not doing what you think he should because he knows more about footy than you. Just a thought.

Sums it up really. Coaches' votes: MELBOURNE v SYDNEY 10 Isaac Heeney (SYD) 7 Jake Lloyd (SYD) 4 Aliir Aliir (SYD) 3 Angus Brayshaw (MELB) 3 George Hewett (SYD) 2 Tom Papley (SYD) 1 Lance Franklin (SYD)

Yes. But the other point about that, is look at how much finals experience there are in those players: it's not just the > 150 game players, even the younger players have the kind of big-game experience that ours are severely lacking. The bulk of Sunday's team is the same as the one that finished top of the ladder in 2016 and played in the GF. And then there's the class: look at how many Swans players have been AA compared to us.