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It's all in they're heads, something is very wrong at that club. something like an off fish.

The important thing is the first 3 or 4 months, when impressions are made in the kids heads. First impressions are every hard to alter. Attitudes sprout from those. We had far too many kids having too much of a frolicking good time at the club. At the time when that bloody tail was swinging wildly. Big heads prevailing, in the smallest of ponds.

hah, I am glad to hear that ! I can understand carltoon and gaff. The game is about to reduce rotations,,, and space will open up, so gut-run, and 'speed',,, will both be in demand. We have some gut-run, but barely any speed. We need much more of it, in & around the middle, and half back. Dion Johnston is a keeper, at this time. IF he can learn to develop at the defensive end; he might have a future there, but also, if he can find his mojo down back; he may yet find he can play around the middle.?

This happens at Melbourne board level too often in our past. We had too many thinkers, that think they know how to,,, and jump on Board, only to leave us floundering in the mudheap, having gone no-where. This club needs people of real courage and vision; for our future... Not on-field, but our off-field future; to grow this clubs base.

that's good. (that was a quip referring to the pies, or crows, not to the doubters) You know I would swap Angus and Neale from Freo, IF we could make that workout. and still take Sloane as well.

yeah you got me. I reread my post, and yours, and thought, am i going bonkers.

I agree. I wanted us to go after him, in both 2016 and 2017. I think some SA clubs sounded him out last season, and he is apparently,,, happy in WA.

Lachie Neale is better than Gaff. And suits us better, than Gaff.

http://www.afl.com.au/ladder Suns want a bottom 4 spot. in Dew's first year. If they beat the Saints, then they're too close to 14th. 15th is perfect for them. They'll start to climb a bit more, in 2019.

Yes, that's what we need, instead of Gaff.

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absolutely.

we missed the chance for Kreuzer a couple of years ago, and we've moved ahead of that time, since with TMc and Pedo working in tandem last year. Anyway, now you mention it, how did we go last week.? Did we win the clearances? because we got smashed in that game. I don't judge a ruck by his H/O stats,,, but rather on our clearances, and how many marks the big guy takes. that's the Key for us. Clearances, and ruckman marks, around the ground. He (Gawn), is still not taking enough marks around the ground. ... but he is improving, deep forward.

Kreuzing for a blue-zing ... to reap what they've sown, in Mo-vember.

Sadly, I feel the same way RI. I'm not a person who will just do, as has always been done. unless the enjoyment id there to keep going, and keep doing the same old. The game these days is a visual nightmare. And for people who's eyesight isn't as strong as in youth,,, its very difficult to keep up with all the rotations. And with no players playing an actual position, you can't tell at the ground, who's playing, and who's off the field. Add to that, those annoying 'IN YOUR FACE' adds,,,,, like harvey norman, and it's a 'must turn off' ... like i just did a second ago, hit the mute button, as I type on the PC. TV going to my left, in the background, because the internet is more interesting, than the bloody footy they're dishing up, these days.

Dormant is right, they are in boxes, swyl. The thing is the progeny are out there, but in other colours, these days. Or other sports. We have to start at ground Zero again, Open up the club for passing trade (Richmond Station), and remake our base.

Actually, I see your point dim... We trade Angus and Hogan to the Blues, for Furphy, and change. The change being, charlie and jacob... curnow, and weitering.

If we want to get anywhere we cannot just assume. We have to have a crack. None of us, not even you Red, know what the future holds, and how things will pan out. So we just go into things with a bullish attitude, and do our best. see what comes out of it. At the least, we might push up his contract price for the pies to pay. That inturn, may shake another free ? But we have to be in it, to win it. The worries about loss of face, are just that, nothing, but worries. Those of us who laugh last, laugh the longest & deepest.

I do very much think we need mature midfield players. eg Sloane. and I'm not kidding myself. or you. Shiel, another I would be chatting to strongly, as the Giants tumble down that bean-stalk. Vince and Lewis will in my mind, finish this year. I would pay Lewis out, and rookie him. To play as assistant coach at Casey. We can then call on him next year, IF required. I'd be cashing in all salary cap space possible, this year, to use on a gun. no, not Gaff... good player, but not a gun.

Because they don't fire-up, when needed. They can't do the magic - - - - - - - - What we needed this time last year can change, from that time, to now... and what we need going forward, is not so much that gut-run, which was so important to us 12 months ago, But rather, midfield speed, and x factor. Our power players like Petracca, are not quick across the ground. And don't have that much X factor, with the ball in their hands. We have unearthed ANB, and Harmes is emerging as gut runners. I think Stretch may also add to this equation? We need that point of difference, who can create from inside the Mids setup. And when resting at half-forward, as well. We are a little bit vanilla in our inside midfield group rotations, apart from our power contested winning.

Of course we have a chance Red. It depends on our desire to do it. We need more speed with the run, than just plain endurance run and carry. Run and carry will not bust open tight finals games. That takes x factor , speed and pinpoint kicking. I sense the real issue why many here don't want to discuss this, is because it means further trades, possibly of players they are emotionally invested in. If we are to be ruthless, we can't let these things get in our way to getting to the Grand Final, and winning the darn thing, instead of getting belted in them.

why do you think Sloane wouldn't come to us?

taking pizz

a question, IF,,, Dylan Shiel or Josh Kelly wanted out of GWS, to come back to Victoria.? What would you be prepared to trade, to get one of them to the Dees, for 2019 ?