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Yeah, I know that SD. I would say that the Weide just kicked the door in. Stats on disposals (stretch), on it's own,,,, isn't smashing the door in. But how he does it, goes about his game will be the key. I am a fan, but he has to be ready, and to make a difference from the start in AFL.

I don't agree with substance of you post, about attending. People want to belong to something. They are not all as busy as you seem to be 'rge'. Having it at Richmond station would allow some on the spur of the moment, to hop off the train and go to the D's HQ. They're not likely to do this, having to get of the train, cross the busy roads, and then walk all the way up the hill to Jolimont. The inspiration to go see the new HQ will have evaporated. For those who have a thought of, 'maybe'. Mums with kids in tow. Single dads, it just gets that bit farther, that bit harder. The whim evaporates, with the extra walk, on top of the public transport journey. you don't see it, I see it. its an issue and the regualer d's members are unlikely to see it. St-Kilda at Moorabbin. then hey went to Seaford. Then crawled back to Moorabbin, because the members did not buy into the move... they hated it, being out of the way, and out of sight. So they did not attend training, and many stopped taking memberships. Having it close as can be, and a high profile site is crucial. Richmond station is one of the busiest stations in the state. Jolimont barely. Now the after-game. thousands of people go back thru Richmond station... our supporters many would pop in after the game, if not before the game,,, on getting off the train, to have pre-game drinks, or eats. We would get hundreds on game day following the match. Lots of Revenue. Not so having to go the opposite way, away from the station.

there is a multitude of reasons why Yarra Park is the wrong choice. Tell me 'rog', which station would carry more people traffic to and from the Mcg? Richmond station or Jolimont station.?

I think the players at Casey have to smash the door down to get into this side. We have some playing well consistently at Casey, but are they smashing it in,,, or just knocking politely.

Unbelievably short sighted comments... obviously from someone who knows zilch about developing a young team... I suppose you preferred the 2007 - 2012 model, which we employed ?

Yep he showed his class in his first season. But his weakness is always going to be a concern Re his footy. But if he continues his attack at the ball and the man, like he is, he will become untouchable, within our list.

Learning curve, rjay. Learning to play big games, and intensity. Its NOT wasted.

AFL's interpretation to umpire to the home crowds, seems to take precedence over the reality. It used to be just Collingwood and Carlton, that got the dream run from the umps... now it seems its's the vigorous home crowds, the Umpires are directed to Panda to. ?

He would have been playing heavier back in the 90's, so would have more muscle onboard, compared to today's game. The game was played under manic pressure. and both teams were sloppy. I reckon this helped OMc. And i thought Hibbo and Nev were great help. Also Smith down back, tidied up a bit. We're getting some good players together, slowly.

might be time to poke him and rattle his cage.

Brayshaw was hard at it tonight. He's showing plenty of courage.

I think he needs to shed a couple of kegs and get fitter, and run for longer at speed.. We need him to get to more contests, one after the other. It's time to lose that puppy fat christian.

Preuss or Lycett, Lobb,... Rory Lobb, already mature,,, in a team that has gone backwards this year. He has the best marking average over his career, of these 3 rucks. Lobb an Lycett are ready to roll, to fill in Now. I think strong marking and big numbers of marks, is the key. the rest can follow, if you will. These types can ruck, or be dangerous forward. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - players of interest ? for our side. Lachie Whitfield. Matt Buntine. . If DShiel shakes loose, I want us to know.

I'm sure there is more options than three. And i'm sure some have left a team and may look for another, and some family's turn some members off a club. We need to be like the corner store. We need to be in the sight of all who pass the area; and sometimes just from curiosity, or convenience, We may pickup some extra's each and every year we are there. Eventually they will all add up. We have wallowed for decades, dithered, twiddled thumbs, prayed, hoped, begged, and nearly merged, and generally done SFA. All because we the club, have been too stubborn and afraid, to change.

I have the feeling hells-bells want the supporters, who are already inclined to come along. I want those who aren't Melbourne, so we can have a chance to let them fall in love with the D's. to become aligned. Those of us who are committed, will go where-ever training is. In one sence, this feels like how this club wins when things are going our way... but when things are tougher, we sort of shrug shoulders and let it go by. Lets take on the tougher challenges... REAL Change.

No you don't get it because you are not in the demographic that doesn't have a following. You are the same as the directors choosing this site. Your all welded onto the club, and the job. It's not people like you, that we can find, to help them become footy people, and become Melbourne people. The location panders to those who are already decided in their choice. I AM RAPT the club has decided to take this decision to create our home base... absolutely R.A.P.T. But we (Mfc) lack base numbers of followers, supporters, and then long-term regular members who'll stay tight. This decision ought NOT be thinking about MONEY... it ought be about winning new hearts and minds. just getting big numbers of people to our training and functions. We ought to have a BarBQue or hotdogs at virtually every training session for our watchers alike the old Hawks once did. time-fame of day permitting. We ought to think of it as breakeven, or a slight loss even;... just to start to make good relations with people who are inquisitive about the footy club. WE need big numbers coming along and getting interested, and hopefully we can start to make new supporters, and maybe even new Demon families. Gosch's Paddock is the high Profile site, to help us to do this. .

I'm saying we should try to get the people who have not made up their minds yet,,, as to footy,,, or a footy club.. IF people around our development area are half a mind to go to training, to bring the kids;,,, or the kids are nagging mum or dad, and the parent is 50/50... having the easier access to destination could help make the decision. this is going to be a longterm thing so make it easy so wecan be in contact with as many people as we can be. If they're Keen enough to get to training, then they have already selected the club. Why try to get the the ones who are already onboard. Open the club up.... don't hide it away, so it becomes some sort of collectors item, down in Wellington Pde. This is not the way to grow... It's the way to survive. To maintain, rather than to grow_ So, in order to attract those who aren't Melbourne... we have to have ourselves on display,,, where anyone, and everyone can come along, and be made to feel most welcome. Really simple...... just have to come along, and we will gladly try to make you feel like one of us. So we need to bee seen, from the trains and we need to be just outside the transit... trams. trains. buses. cars. trucks. motor bikes. prams. bicycles... even a stray dog, we can sign up. Yarra Park Who can see us from the Trains, at Yarra Park ?? seems to me, we can see them, but they can't see us. Who can see us from the Trams, at Yarra Park ?? seems to me, we can see them, but they can't see us. It's all nice and handy for the Mcc members, and Mfc members based in the northern stand, but where's the new supporters around there? Where.... no where. This is not a growth area. Its a consolidation area. It's a retirement package, that says remember me Demons. Maybe we could turn it into a retirement home for lost Mcc members, as they age? Because we are not going to get many people there, who are not already dedicated to a club. .

Keen enough....... this is ,the Key', we differ on. this is why we fail in past decades. we do not need to attract those KEEN enough. We want to attract those who are half-hearted,,, and with children. This is where we will make our new growth from. Attracting these people and making them FEEL welcome, and not judged. Those welded on's, are not the ones we should be aiming this project at... as lovely and leafy as this Yarra Project looks, it's the wrong location,,, for our potential NEW Growth of supporters. Same attitude, and the very same mistakes again, as in the past. These concepts are all based in 'pretty'. 'lovely'. and to appeal to those whom are already attached to the club. They are all designed for those already, in the inner-sanctum.

Are you kidding me. These people, some will have to travel a fair way. On a train or trains... the whole idea of enticing new people to the club, is to make everything easy for them to start showing interest, and attendance. To make it as easy as possible for these potential newbies, that are not committed either way. Those with just a hint of interest. Some may be single parents: some not interested if foot: but the children maybe. IF Gerry Harvey was to start his business on a status model, designed to be 'pretty', and to attract those already attached to the club, He would go broke, before he was in business for 2 years. He would not get the high volumes of passing trade that he needs to stay afloat, by having his outlets in difficult to get to spots. He would make the stores as easy as possible, to attend, and to buy his wares. I think this Yarra-Park concept is aimed at the already attached, and 'the well to do',,, who travel Wellington Pde on a frequent basis. I DO NOT think this is about growing our base, and increase our Casey Region relationships, at all.

what is verbose?

No,,, I have nothing to do with the design, or political concept of it, at all;,,, Except that I am the one who has been pushing this barrow of a HQ's and Training/Social Base since back around 2008-9__ or somewhere back there... so that the club can get its Soul Back again... and to reconnect with the people. In order for this club 'to stop bleeding internally' (supporter numbers), and so it might start to grow once again. I am the sole player in this, pushing for the club to be independent and grow bigger and stronger,,, and to stop leaning on the support of the Mcc. Because that is purely survival based;,,, instead of creative aggressive growth based ideas, around making this club enter into this New-Millennia and get more power, stronger in its own right. To stand on its own, under its own strength, and will !

Those are the areas of our support base stronghold; so these are areas we need to cater for, making it easier for them to feel connected to the club, and easier for them to attend training sessions, functions, etc. Cranbourne is a new area we are supposed to be building relationships with. In a view to attraction more new supporters. To help them be interested in Mfc and in Aussie Rules footy.

We used to train close to Swan st. There seems no built in barriers to changing the setup, which is layed out on the grass... unless they have layed concrete kerbs, and put fences in there, since I last went to training. A layout made with white chalk lines, defining where clubs train is not above being changed. Are you suggesting that the soccer club is over and above Us, in the city ? If we wanted to build over Swan st and had approval I feel sure that we would get the lay of land which suited our proposal. - - - - - - - - - - - - look, answer a simple question, straight out for me. In our growth corridor that we are developing, around the Casey region, Do you think we are more likely to get any interested visitors, from down around Berwick, Pakenham, or Cranbourne to watch training and see Our players,,, at Gosch's Paddock,,,, or Yarra Park. Which do you think they would find easier to attend, to show interest in and visit with their children ? See, I'm not about catering to the rusted-on patrons of the club, as they will go to either location... I am all about, 'new people interest' in our club. With people, just starting to take an interest in us... Not the full-on Demon diehards who are already attached.

is that payTV

and Rory Lobb & Lycett.