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Simple. When houses, medicine and food, & just plain living, become a slavery act to survive, then the current capitalistic system has gone beyond its use buy date. This is the end of capitalism as we know it, because its become a cannibal. The anti-christ has worked its spell into the big 'C' ; and now its all downhill for big 'C'... 'the people, they are a changin'.

The "already developed" term, was in reference to his footy development.. not his mind/emotional development. That's the point of the post, that 'the inner club culture' has to be strong, beneficial, & supportive, with strong discipline. The doggies seems to me, a raw culture changing almost daily. they were a young talented team without enough senior leaders who could hold things together. They rode the crest of an emotional wave through to the Premiership, and never really got off that wave until it crashed ashore. Now its spot the pieces, and pickup what you can find. Stringer Wines and Grundy were my picks, to go with Viney, who was a lock for us. I wanted big size mids in that draft. And those who had other skills, like forward skills. see (Grundy & Stringer) It turns out the best options from hindsight show us that Wines & Grundy would have been the better partners for Viney. And we had one of them in the palm. Oh Toddy.

most footy supporters are from the lower half of this equation. If footy is about community, and the rotation of goodwill, & also money moving across that community, how is it good for most of it (money) to end-up in the pocket of too few ? This is not good for anything, Let alone footy and community.

Do we have to continue the bentleigh club, til 2021 ? Or can we shut the pokies down and sell the place?

Yes true but it also shows how impressionable young players heads are, & the so called "already developed" argument is. And how arrogance is destructive in a club environment. One minute world beaters, next minute pillow fluff.

So was Jake Stringer prior to drafting.

Has Viney had collagen injections in his Lips ?

I agree chook. Lets return the club back to the people and footy supporters of RednBlue... let the people back Inn.

I believe it because I know that it occurs. And when someone comes out in this forum, saying just that, via a player's information. I take that with respect. The poster is putting themselves in the firing line. Going out on the limb. There was no malice in the post, nor was there a hint of trying to be disruptive. Just honesty. The more honest we all are, the less this sort of games-playing behind the scenes, will occur. Its not the messenger that is at fault. Its the deceptive games played in business;,, that is the Fault.

Its not just clubs that play mind-games with players & put out feelers, Its also player managers at contract time, to threaten clubs for more dollars.

If they reported every whisper of clubs feelers, at end of season, they would end up with no cred, because most of these feelers end up with nothing happening, because the players club isn't serious; but want to create a little insecurity in lazy player X. Ttrying to shake them out of lethargy. See Watts at end of Roos 2nd season, Watts dropped for last game. Whispers about watts trade scenarios's. Watts 3rd Roosy season is a beaut. Sign contract extension. Goody's first year and watts is back to not Putin-in, again. ta-ta. It happens. every end of year.

He does jr. But he needs to 'kick the door in' prior to. He hasn't played a game for points, just yet. I would wait until after the 1st game in the VFL, and see how he goes under some heat first.

It happens at every club every year. Putting feelers out. Sometimes its dunn to put a rocket under a player, who is coasting along. So mostly, not serious in those occasions. Players most times do not know when a club puts feelers out, Re the player. But other clubs can try the wedge the player, telling them their club is shopping them. It happens a lot and not many deals get done.

And probably hoping for some faith from supporters. But its a bit hard to do, with where we're coming from, to feel that way.

I have no doubt that he will show something, and then, show plenty. I'm in no out-standing hurry for that to happen. As I reckon that when he does come on, he will be just what Dr ordered. And then we will be a more complete outfit.

I would say that only Picket and JKH did not deserve the whipping they copped. Pickets was torn a new one by supporters on the no bruise bandwagon of that time. He was umpired out of the game. Nowadays its common place to crash bodies just not the sacrosanct head. Hello J Selwood, you lookin' at moi? JKH is just an honest toiler who has no preconceptions on his ticket, accept that he knows he has to be a bloody heard worker to make it. As did Nibbler, just over 12 months back.

Morton, Bennell, Cook, Gysberts, before them Pickett copped a lot from fans. And many who did deserve some, were loved & untouchable by fans.

No, too soon for him. He doesn't have any form, or confidence yet. He'd be a lamb to slaughter. Now is not the time, but if you want to fast track him, maybe start playing him at key defence in the VFL. Just for a while, to get him running at the ball & with the ball. And kicking on the run. And also a run on the ball. Get his physical momentum moving, & confidence.

Hang on his grandad was a follower, a rugged follower, and powerful mark. With attitude. ran straight lines. Lets see what we get first, before we make any rash predictions on a lad, who has played 2 seasons, and is yet to become an adult. I suggest that bambi will turn into a buffalo.

just entering his 3rd year. had another ankle Op. Lets start to expect, after the half way mark. Do we want to help, or hinder him? I reckon this kid ( 20Yrs_8Mths ) to this point, just needs a bit of faith shown. He's a big lad ( Height: 195cm_Weight: 97kg ) who needs some more muscle, and a little help from his mates.

I don't think the hounds need to be baying at all. As I said, we don't really have any hangers-on's, any longer, any non-committed to the cause. All we have left now, is young fellas, who want to be their best. We have so many young players in our best 22, we need another 28Yr old soon, to replace the 31 Yrs+ players nearing the end. We need the leadership and maturity because our 25's plus, are not all that great. the good older players are spread too thin. So we're in no real hurry for more youngsters in the 22, unless they crash the bloody wall right down.

I just looked thru our list for a whipping boy. We don't have ANY anymore. No list cloggers. All footballers. No athletes really so much, anymore. thankfully, we have finally arrived to this point, where all we have down the bottom, are players who are trying to adjust their bodies to withstand the rigors of AFL footy. So these down there, are talented but with issues to overcome, if they can. These are players we rolled the dice on. . So with this, lets cut back on the whipping of the underdogs, and save it up, IF any of the others don't show the courage, or the commitment we should expect, from Demon players. Hopefully we won't need to bring out the boots to kick anyone. We are all past most of that pain, of the last 13 years. Now is the time to put that energy into booing the Opposition, the Umps when required, & into screaming out for the D's to go hard.

Weide will be a great player for us. He just needs time to grow into his frame, as most big men do. Be patient, he will excite. Not every player comes on like a Judd or Daniel Talia, not even Hodge or Mitchell did. But I would have either of those 2, over Judd. The fact they've been IN demand at the end of their careers, says a lot really. about Culture/Leadership.

He's has an operation on his ankle, so has not long started back into Pre-Season work? He will be at Casey for a while, but by mid-season, It's then time to start with some expectations of this young man. Not before mid season as he works his new body onto some sort of form. He is just at the start of filling out his frame, so give him some time. Latter half of the year, we should be expecting him to take some control at VFL level. Also, I'm hopeful of Keilty to start some good form by mid season the new breed of young fellas. The thing I would really like to see/hear, is young King. I'd like to hear of him taking some strides along in the VFL, this year.

I here they plan on putting it towards the EOSTrip. But he's gotta get back for the land of the sugar plum, & bring the money with him first.