Alf Stewart

I wish I could have this function as a real life application with some of the old hags at work.

Awesome, didnt realise that. Iwill miss Ben-Hurs avatar but certainly not his holier than thou antagonistic rubbish. See ya mate!

So if all this 500 k carp is true the big question is. Do we in fact lose our pokie revenue. (god i feel ill mentioning our great cub with "pokie revenue")

I find it disturbing that the club has not been told. No official announcement from the AFL. Yet there is an article on the AFL website with the finer details of the outcomes. Seriously the whole thin is a bloody circus. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-15/demons-face-500k-tanking-fine-reports

Touche

This Ben-Hur is a bit of a [censored] to be honest. I am certainly ok with someone having an opinion but to be so agressive with it and the way in which he/she belittles other posters is pretty immature. Smacks of a classic "keyboard hero" or someone who has little else in life other than getting some weird satisfaction from stirring an emotional pot for a sense of self gratification. Can I please have my 10 hours of wasted time back? The ones I have spent reading his/hers post which have pretty much the same message for the last 6 months? Also do you work?

Latest Wilson chapter: Demons' lame-duck excuses Does not look flash "It is understood that Melbourne will be charged in the coming days and almost certainly by Friday. One expected charge is bringing the game into disrepute. Connolly will be charged as will former coach Dean Bailey, but Fairfax Media could not confirm whether CEO Cameron Schwab would also be charged." That Flamin COW

Shoenmakers on anyone. Just a side note: Wouldnt it be wonderful to see the Hawthorn Scum shattered at losing Buddy and getting much much less compo than what we got for the greedy dwarf..

Demons: shock &awful by Caroline Wilson "But even if Stynes' legacy is spared because we might never truly know how much he knew, the game must cast aside concerns about legacies and images and football myths and concentrate on repairing the collateral damage. Melbourne will be harshly punished. Cameron Schwab and Chris Connolly will be finished at the club. But football lives, young men who played no real active part in the treacherous football facade which took place at the club in 2009 were ruined or at the very least tarnished by their association with it. It is nonsense to suggest the AFL must carry the can for Melbourne because it created a system which encouraged tanking. That is rot. The AFL was not complicit in this. At best it was naive and at worst the commission and its chief executive incompetent in failing to see what was being unveiled in front of them." "What Melbourne did in manipulating results was disgusting. The result of the fix was pathetic. To think that so many reputations could be destroyed and so many playing careers hurt all for one ambitious young footballer who began looking for a way out of the place after only one year. If what some former players and coaches say is true, then the tanking was only the half of it. But to put in the fix for Tom Scully and not to create a training and development laboratory for all similarly-talented young men to improve and retain them is just so glaringly short-sighted."

From the shock and awful article. W. Wilson. Some really terrible things said in there about OUR club which was jumped on by ravenous leeches all over the place. No real substance just some venom. This mud will stick in some way. "But even if Stynes' legacy is spared because we might never truly know how much he knew, the game must cast aside concerns about legacies and images and football myths and concentrate on repairing the collateral damage. Melbourne will be harshly punished. Cameron Schwab and Chris Connolly will be finished at the club. But football lives, young men who played no real active part in the treacherous football facade which took place at the club in 2009 were ruined or at the very least tarnished by their association with it. It is nonsense to suggest the AFL must carry the can for Melbourne because it created a system which encouraged tanking. That is rot. The AFL was not complicit in this. At best it was naive and at worst the commission and its chief executive incompetent in failing to see what was being unveiled in front of them." "What Melbourne did in manipulating results was disgusting. The result of the fix was pathetic. To think that so many reputations could be destroyed and so many playing careers hurt all for one ambitious young footballer who began looking for a way out of the place after only one year. If what some former players and coaches say is true, then the tanking was only the half of it. But to put in the fix for Tom Scully and not to create a training and development laboratory for all similarly-talented young men to improve and retain them is just so glaringly short-sighted." Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demons-shock--awful-20121102-28ppz.html#ixzz2C58UEwLz Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demons-shock--awful-20121102-28ppz.html#ixzz2C57wlqh1

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tanking-affair-darkens-for-dees-20121029-28g2n.html

Caroline Wilson, Jeff Kennett and Dwayne Russell.

Well there you "flamin" go. I now know what EFA means.

I am tipping the Jon Ralph has paraphrased what Bailey said. For all we know he could and probably did say much more.

What if "The Age" were infact the "sponsor" that indicated to the AFL warriors that CC and CS boasted about getting draft picks. WHat if this "sponsor" was the source of the leak/s? Wouldn't that be a twist. Investigate that ........... The Age was and still is a "sponsor" http://www.melbourne...41/default.aspx Would that be a conflict of interest? Perjury?

i Think you might be not be on the same wavelength with what I was saying. Those who have been incrdibly inflammatory include Wilson, Dwayne Russell (who on Friday night accused MFC of being disgusting, fixing games and that Caroline Wilson should be awarded an AFL award for investigative journalism). Jeff Kennett etc What they have done is reprehensible in light of some pretty fllimsy evidence. I am interested to see how this pans out.

There is no doubt Bailey would have been offered some sort of AFL (big brother style) immunity if he implicated Schwab and Connolly. Systematic tanking just didnt happen. But the Kangaroo court that is the AFL will probably still find us guilty of something. I just cant see Caroline Wilson being so wrong ........ well I can but I cant see the AFL spoonfeeding her sensationalist fodder if they didnt want her to use it.

Caroline Wilson, Dwayne Russell, Neil Mitchell, Jeff Kennett, ............... morons and potential future sponsors of the MFC.

Surely this presumptuous and incredibly inflammatory mouthpiece must have a good legal team. If she is wrong on the facts below she has to be in trouble. There are some terrible statements.

Well if there was systematic cheating, or "the fix" as Caroline Wilson has sensationally called i. thent I am sure Bailey would have been offered some sort of immuniuity if he implicated people above him into pressuring him to do so. FACTS Prob Are: That CC spoke glowingly about the prospect of 2 quality picks during the season. Who among us didnt? We had nothing else to look forward to. We wre all trying to scrape something positive from a black hole. Bailey played players in all sorts of experimental position, imitating the higlyh rotating flexible Geelong team type structure he was trying to foster. The players were never told not to try. NEVER. Almost all evidence seems to have come from those with an axe to grind. Media have become so unbalanced it is just sad. Dwayne Russell the worst. All of em. Simple: WE DIDN'T TANK WE WERE JUST HOPELESS!!! TRUST ME, I WAS THERE!

AFL please don't fall for the trial by media. Dean Bailey tells the AFL he didn't order players to lose

Sad to see some high pick going to waste. Good to see Moloney, Morton, Gysberts et al on their bike. I suppose the number where you were drafted at is only really a number in the end. It means nothing after you have been in the system.

Bite us in in the bum or on the bum. if it is in as in the OP well that will hurt and be quite disgusting.

I see that Prendergast Harrington has been quoted that what he wants to see from the draft period is a "Net Gain"?? What is this? Surely if you come 16th and have picks 3,4 and 13 a "Net Gain" is a formality. Unless we pull another "Morton". I am after "significant gain". Watto Edited for losing interest in the Dees during our era of hell and not being sure who the list manager now is...

Ben Holland was paid way more per disposal when at Melbourne. And the efficiency was around 15% I reckon.