beelzebub

And thats it... often swings and roundabouts along the way. Its about the end nett result....not all the fires and hustles along the way. Go Dees...do that good trade voodoo, that you do , so well 😉

Yep been saying this for a whiles. Tommy can at least get on a park...just a bit slower these days. If he's happy to mentor some kids...great...as he does understand footy quite well. Benny Benny Benny... lets get ya fixed up and into the coaching path as i hear thats an interest... when you're shot...you're shot...look after yaself 😉

Lots of bottom of the harbour schemes 😉

pass the Dutchie to the.......

We've obviously been talking with him...has the hallmarks of JT and his band of spies 😉 Wonder who else is on the radar ?? Well.. that's a need filled ( possibly)

I was thinking ...what we will possibly offer Lions.. as probably wont be bucket loads might be something we acquire after an other trade.( not with Bris )

Not too shabby.. he's relatively young and raw... might be looking to starr coming into his potential. Shrewd get.

Possibly the steak knives from another deal perhaps ?

Apologies as I missed the memo had there been one ... But do we( anyone) know, as opposed summise, what his role is to be. Might come out tonight perhaps. Like many...curious. We certainly need to changes things up.

Party at yours ?? Im making the Daiquiris ( banana of course 😉 )

The biggest mistake..imho.. has been trying to get them to be kpf.. dumb as doggy doo if you ask me. Both...esp Max capable of floating across half back or esp half forward as the link from the rebounds. I really dont get why we do this ..either can then pass ( not hail mary lob ) to a REAL forward on lead etc. Its footy 101... baffles me. Anyway...he's off... so be it.

JJ costs them nothing...ia a FA Swans will have to package some picks ( in effect ) for the Bun. I suspect some exchanging of picks... but whatever we end up with will more than likely get used as currency in other pic exchanges etc. We'll be pragmatic...but we'll get more than the 43 some suppose

I fear this past 48 hours has taken its toll upon you RIF... it's fine ...it's ok now..... He carried himself with pride as a Demon....I afford him no ill. Now Collingwood...........

I have my suspicions about how the MFC goes about trades etc... You start at where you ideally would like to finish ...in terms of players and picks, not so much the other way around.. So from the desired outcome you trace backwards as to what paths might get you there ( or thereabouts). The Dees are very astute in all of this ( so my observing of recent times.... even Grundy...well executed trade etc...just the result...but the trade aspect..well done ) they understand picks are all numbers and fluid and the same pick can have different values to diferent clubs as they have different opportunites and needs. Its a bit like snakes and ladders...Melbounre looks to increase its value whilst facilitating others ( where amicable ) to do likewise. This is not a war per se...it's a game better to WIN-win..than win-lose. Many seem fixated on a specific value for Brodie.... but it will end up being how anything we get can be further on traded-upgraded when packaged. Brodie for want of another description becomes a cog of a wheel...not a wheel by itself. This is why trade week often takes so long and goes to the wire......because no man is an island..Everything interconnects All picks have a prescribed value,..and an intrinsic value. Going to be fascinating , as always , seeing how this goes Whatever...good luck Grundy...thanks for the visit.

I actually think this is very much central (npi) to where we may heading with all this. Yes, the midfield is where it's at ( unless we're talking about the other areas lol ) In our stellar 21 season we were not just a good contested side but we had reasonable success at central clearances. Fast forward 23... not so much. We struggle to go bang, let alone bang bang....bang. Our central work is often stifled.. Olivers effectiveness has been curbed in many games because of tags. He's still outstanding but our overall efficiency is way down. We have depth on the inside but our outside game leaves a lot for improvement. I can see now how a Reid might change that. An irony perhaps is Clarrys absence opened a new chapter. Gave us a look at a slightly different Melbourne. Its not how any player performed or contributed in 21 ( or 22/23 ) it's going to be about how the club sees us playing in 24 >>>> .. and who is needed to do so. Clarry may very well be part of that picture....but maybe he's not. We bemoan our FD for not embracing change...as other clubs do. A number of changes are being thrust upon us....and just maybe there's a few we're still to add to that list. We either evolve or get left behind. Interesting days ahead. Be curious to whats said by whom....( or not ) as this pans out. He may be just going .... nowhere. We'll see soon enough I suspect.

I Dont think anyone is ( truly) Those are events having occurred yet not flavour of the cake presently before us. What WAS may not be NOW.. or it might. Point being as they say in finance, past performance may not indicate future. The flip side being ..... not quite as effective since. Now that might improve..or may not. Certainly seems to have been a lot having been played out that only the concerned parties know. There's something very odd about all of this. The most obvious being here we are talking about Oliver. Bizarre

Totally valid qualifiers. Trees survive because they bend and adapt.. Rocks can fall or crack. I would think it bodes well to be adeptly adaptive. Whatever is best holistically for the club.... IS the BEST outcome imo.

Astute observations. The shadow of the devil creeps closer indeed. Going to have effects many don't see coming. Qld could fall off a precipice...the footy world would hardly blink.... but when the horn sounds for the "islanders" to march home....indeed many will heed the call. Agree also that the current team/coaching isn't winning another flag. Lots of changes and recasting to come. I'm fascinated. Will there be flames where only smoke exists now ? As they say... Who Dares Wins. Go Dees

Then that.... would be the someone

Trade period is entertaining....

I would suggest that neither ARE a kpf... might be... not yet. That is the issue .... ?? Clarry IS a top end mid.. we have potential forwards ( imo )

Hmmm... Swapppsies ???

As such i agree... but thats not where we are. I can think of many players at many clubs I'd pick as a 'made up' before Oliver. I still don't attach either much voracity or credibility to it ( the murmurings ) ... but it's an odd choice...no ? He's had some issues this year.. not all happy snaps and perhaps thats where it stems?? Doing the Devils work again... whats more important "A" bloody good mid ( we have a few )... or a bloody good kpf ??? Of which we have none. Again...listening costs nil.

Im going to again offer a counter view. If as you suggest Oliver is untouchable.. no one would have enquired. Somewhere... someone... has let a door crack open. No one asks about Max, Trac or Jack... but strangely there's a story surrounding Clarry. Think about that.

Sometimes i offer a different view. Not yours perhaps.. i dont give a f. Try offering a counter argument. Can you ? All too simple to denigrate eh . Heads up ...you're not in charge. It's a forum. You do get that's about...conversations...ideas.