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Don't see what this has to do with Judd...?

Judd and Sumich have a very good working relationship. clearer ?

I agree...but its rather intersting the lengths clubs are going to !! lol

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,2...1-23211,00.html

Sumich to Blues ???

Have to admit its rather clever.. bit silly though possibly if it doesnt get the desired result !!

Smacks of desperation more than ingenuity though ..time will tell.

all semantics really.. Geelong wont be wanting to part with Blake... fine by me

We must al realise that what we are presently witnessing is a game of cat and mouse. Make up your own minds as to who's who !! lol..( Do eagles squeak ? )

Its posturing for the real end game. Judd wants to go at least to a semi choice of his own. Eagles want compensation ( and dare I say..revenge !! ).. Like any auction...it all happens only after the hammer drops the first two times...all else before is just fluff and stuff.

We havent seen anything yet... as soon as his short list is announced, and being something of a pragmatist he would need to be realistic enough to know that he will get more, quicker and easier by choosing two and then stepping back whilst all hell lets loose !!

I would think if we were one of two then our chances are greater than half if that makes sense !!

little bets mean nothing... just mug punters..

sizable monies speak of either real balls....or a little knowledge B)

unfortunately spmetimes it is just that ...too little knowledge and not enough..lolo

Whilst Blake isn't a dud, he ain't far off it. His mid-fielder's around him make him seem that much better than what he actually is.

same thing could be leveled at some a lot closer to home !!

it all makes you wonder !!!! <_<

............ on given that White has only two or three years left.

If we are to become serious contenders we need to adjust that time frame so that 2008 is whites last year as 1st Ruck..or we're just kidding ourselves !!!

My view is he wants to come to Melbourne but did the right thing and interviewed the 3 big Melbourne clubs as well to keep Melbourne honest and also to satisfy himself that he was indeed making the right decision.

This may well turn out to be the most succint appraisal of the whole carry on yet !!

pop quiz

pick a melbourne ruckman better than him ?

For all those having a go at port for playing hardball with stevens i'd just like to mention that after that they did win a grand final and now another 3 years later they a playing in another grand final, maybe we shouldn't be so critical of them!!!

They are unbeivably succesful club, we should model ourselves more on them and hopefully with bailey we do!

Funny you mention that i was only thinking how Port didnt really suffer that much in a way through losing Stevens.. He's been a real gem since huh !! They might have wanted some legitimate compensation, but ina way they got it...they were rid of him !!

I feel quite encouraged to think we have some genuine Port talent now at Deeland Onya Bailey

but in all fairness to that we Didnt have juice on the park..and now Bater is settling into the roving CHF role. Robbo only really contributed in a major way on a couple of days when playing absolute crap !!

essentially Robbo is good to keep...not end of world if leaves.

Why did the Clement resignation change everything? He would have only had a year or so to go anyway. Short-term means little - Judd and Collingwood will be thinking about the next 5 years, not just 2008.

Yes...quite arguably Clement was not going to be around too much longer..but he would have been expected to go as you rightly surmise probably the end of 2008. Which means the filth would have been tackling the "Back" problem through out 2008 and bringing someone on , or looking to do something this time nex year. Now they have a gaping hole NOW !!

There's an old expression.. Its not how you make it, its how you spend it. Without a solid backline they are spending like a sieve. That will cost them games as this will effect games more than Judd feeding or kicking goals will !!

Its just my view though

What amazes me about this model for Collingwood is that it will put them back years given their glaring deficiencies in the ruck, KP defenders now with Clement gone, and the one dimensional forward line now Rocca is next to useless.

Judd will do his back carrying this team - and we'll all have a new player to hate in melbourne.

carefull...thats bordering on logic hey I essentially agree. I think the Clement resignation changed much. But I feel all alone in the wilderness hehehe

calling... Marples... Poirot, Holmes even !! lol.. the thick plottens

No one knows that Judd wants to go to Collingwood.

It's all just speculation.

I must admit..this is very much the case. Seems mainlly founded on the wants of Collingwood folk !! lol

This is something I have been trying to fathom, why would any self respecting Melbourne boy want to play in Black and white... I ask you ?? lol

But what if this club of filth was added to the list in a clever way to guarantee the booty was as high as possible ?? If yu knew that this club would want to weaselits way into the whole thing anyway, why not include them, and play them??

Conjecture I know.. but this has all the flavour of an Agatha Christie...lol

bias based on history

We have no animosity nor they from trade deals. Collingwood on the other hand.....

It may be simple bias but I have the feeling we are weagles club of choice re dealing.

If thats the case and Judd / Connors would know it, then we are more than likely to be in any 2 club choice.

and going back to original theme.. if its us and wobblies...then ...well....

(that's unless he picks MElbourne as his only preference in which case he is a legend of the highest proportions!!haha)

CORRECT !!!!

Judd has said at the Brownlow that he would sit down with his manager "Connor" and discuss his preferred club.

Connor was at all the interviews.

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Youd have to think that if , hypothetically , that was the case that having jourrneyed this far down the road of self determination that a pragmatist will look for he next best fit and not allow himself to to be fated by the gods again.

the very nature of nominating four clubs up front seems to indicate there is some flexibility in his course.

With Clement retiring, and possibly Wakelin and Presti. I would like to see the Weagles be very mischevious and target the likes of Goldsack and O'Brien in an attempt to decimate their whole backline.

Eddie everywhere is already on record as saying he wont do this. that is.. decimate his team to get Judd. It does get interesting doesnt it.

As much as Judd's being good for Weagles, they in return have been good to him.

U don't screw people who have been good to you.

Judd knows what his worth and if he feels someone's not playing fair, Watch him go all Judge Judy on them.

I know what youre'saying.. but you only need be respectful...not obliging ?

And what would you think if we didn't get Judd but was able to trade our pick 4 to the Pies for say a Brown and Reid , two 19 yo 194 cm key position players plus some improvement in our remaining picks.

Well you do raise an interesting aspect to al this that i was indeed wanting to put out there. Many have thought this too no doubt.

This is a game being played on a number of levels in a number of different ways. Bit like 3 dimensional chess, except not everyone is even playing chess !! lol. Some are playing a look alike game, but with differing rules.

The main game.... get Judd !!

sub plots..... all parties jockying to make best position to either snare Judd or reap the ripe crumbs.

associated sub plots. No involved ( directly ) parties circling and posturing to provide fodder/ amunition to main parties whilst accentuating their own lists.

Bluff and gambits. Now probably only those directly involved.. Melbourne, Carlton , Essendon and Them (lol ) will have any real idea of how they are placed at the moment. But if a team felt it may in all reality dip out it may continue to preen etc in a bid to pickup a clever swap or trade pickup.

but too your idea of trading #4..well.. if we miss the main prize...then decent consolations are acceptable.

But for me the real question here ...is.. For some clubs what is the MAIN prize ?? This is all not as it seems !!

the aspect of this article I liked was it put back into real perspective the notion that Collingwood has fires on two fronts now. 1) what can it in all reality offer and 2) is this now the main concern of lexus land . Iit would be then How high the cost if its Judd at "all costs " ??