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so....you want to go to the draft to get a kid with possibly as high a go home factor as the one traded...then wait ....a few years for him to go back...all the whiles the "window " open ? yeah.........nah....for me Edit.( Thanks Billy for the correction they are Vic ? )

you think that might be Tommy's tipping point ??

I fully understand the sentiment rjay,..really I do . Talent is talent...and talent alone.. His application is not consistent. He may well have a few more gears there.... but he'd need to engage the clutch. He has a problem with it slipping

I dont hate him at all.. This is a simplistic response. If someone doesnt gush over a player...they hate him..right... I dont entertain much the ideas of comparisons to other players; because..they ARE other players. Jesse Hogan isnt a clone of Josh Kennedy...I wish. Forget the stats...thats a poor mans way to argument for mine.. Look at HOW he plays. He's a 3 gear player in a 5 gear car. Theres a difference between hate...and critique. I couldnt give a rats fart about Hogan as a person. It's what he brings to a TEAM effort. Individuals dont win games ( very very rarely ) ..Teams do ( 99%) I want a balanced team...so do apparently the MFC

Arguably some merit in your thoughts but it's the latter noting of his 'dropping off' etc against closer attention which is his biggest downfall. I'd be generous enough to afford him that some coaching at times ,imho, let him down as he had to battle without a wingman at times but it's still down to him how you play. I just don't think he has it. .. the ticker to play those games. He gives up all too frequently. I've seen it.. those that have attended games with me with no allegiance to the Dees but with good footy nous have seen it. It amuses me somewhat to observe how much was bucketed upon Watts for having cruised into and through footy on his talent ( alone supposedly ), but not going that extra ( the opinion of many here ). Tbh I don't see Jesse as any better. He is a very talented and capable player...if allowed to be. If he has to step up a gear and go harder to maintain it...he invariably goes missing or shirks that second effort. I don't know that his attitudes will ever change much now. Tbf, I'm disappointed in him. I'm not suggesting he's not good...but he's far from great. Those that think he'll kick 70 odd are dreaming. He'd need to kick bags against harder opposition and he won't. Imho he's near his output ceiling already. Teams that rely too much on one goalkicker won't will flags. Smith knew that. Our inefficiency as a team isn't kicking scores. It's protecting them. The FD is looking to do two things with Jesse... Unload a non committal wantaway player ( who currently has pretty good currency...though not the outlandish price some suppose ) and bring in more scoreboard protection. I'm staggered more don't support that notion. The team, the club is more important. If Jesse is not to be the forward we thought at Melbourne he certainly won't be the Back. Whilst I thought an interesting experiment this year ( if to happen ) there's far better solutions than taking round pegs to square holes. It would be a gamble at best...a wasted opportunity at worst. Want a back... during a window. Get a back. Get it done Dees

Bugger...I had 333 in the pool

Much Ado about nothing. Albeit it is only possibly from my perspective but so much of this is about very little... really. It's only for many here that the supposed valuation at two first rnd picks matters. What are those 1 and 18 , 9 and 16 ?? There just a means to an end. I fess up as to not valuing Jesse as high as some. Strangely I would think one 1st and reasonable 2nd. Funny..pretty much the same as....ummm.... Melbourne. The first rnd value is relative. All related to what you need a pick to do. Our case...to get May. If that was 15..he's ok at 15...if 11.. he's 11... If 5 is required... he's worth 5 and the 2nd round pick. That's how all of this works. My bone of contention is not what Freo suggest so much as their dlcklng around.

Any good in a forward pocket ?

How many flags did GC win with SOG. How many Sydney with Buddy. How many Carlton with Judd. The answer " what is your emergency " Esprit se corps. All for One ...one for all. And all those looking over your shoulder for that promised pallet of paper bags at next season's end ....bugger off. All those without the ticker to play 4 qtrs without sooking....join them. Playing footy at 100% isn't for everyone. I get it. All about the wave...

There was a time a man's word was sufficient , or a handshake. Today CONTRACTS are hardly worth the paper. No one's going to get excited about a nod here...or there.

Guys guys guys....no more bloody Nixon images....my eyes are burning

Freo just playing funny buggers . Suits their audience and agendas. Some seriously funny delusion and denial in this thread. People just can't see the obvious. Some can, but considered heretics. Don't count on Hogan being at Dees by Wed. Tommy not going back. That's the whole point of getting May. Go Dees

My god.. they're not wanting to get one. It really isn't that bloody hard mate.

not quite true...Tmac was actually drafted as a forward.. He was just a bit alll over the shop so they reinvented him as a backman....and then they...well...we know the rest...lol

As you ask. Mahoney states the intent of this trade period is to address the balance. So .Intent....about balance. An action is trading out a kpf.....trading in a kpb. Pretty plain I'd have thought.

If I'm not mistaken..the disposal of 6 allowed them more picks to facilitate not just the potential Lobb deal but other targets. This is what I meant that in order for all the deals to happen they wouldn't have two to give us.

See..that's spin.. We are happy to take a first and second round pick. The reality is we were never really expecting 2 firsts because as many deduce given what everyone is trying to accomplish there just wouldn't be 2 firsts available to do this deal if others done. I'm pretty confident Josh knows this only too well.

The premiership is not reliant upon Jesse. Might be just me but the club's view is we are better balanced and structured without him....hence they are NOT seeking to replace like with like. Seems many are just trying to find him a role to keep their fav player. Forward ...back...on the wing.. anywhere...just keep Jesse... It's hilarious. Get the job done Dees

So everyone else spins.....but we don't !!

But you must know that also is spin...it's just birdcage lining or fish wrapping at best. No I'm not one to particularly believe the lecherous Ricky. That said there are many elements to this which fly in the face of what we generally understood the situation to be. Which particular statement by the club ?.. there's been a few...and the position has changed ( publicly ) All of this points to angendas....and they don't match the advertised program.

Im guessing...fmd.. How many bloody dots do you need ?? For someone who professes a clue about media ...youre' not showing it. Dont you KNOW how these things are played out? You ACTUALLY believe all the public media drivel ? Clubs ,Players all have their little public announcement soundbites ready. Sometimes you actually just stay shtum. COme on SWYL i know your cleverer than that.

used to play for the wees poos and cats !!

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hes said nothing to YOU !!...or me.. I dont think it really counts SWYL im just guessing a bit gets said behind doors...all hush hush nudge nudge wink wink....need I say more ?