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@Macca keeping the conversation interesting... Experience in and of itself only has currency if it can translate into something meaningful. Agree/Disagree ? If so...how does Nathan bring that experience to bear in any meaningful way ( positive outcome ) ? Yes we do have quite a chasm in thinking about Jones...but I truly have to wonder apart from the gusto what example he presents if he gets ball ... and then bangs ball somewhere ( invariably to the opposition ) I really wonder what benefit all that experience is.

would you put money on matching that in 2020 ?? ?

Macca...the most truly unfortunate thing about your post is that you are right...any of 12 ought to go before Jones. The difference for mine is that Nathan ought to hang up his boots as well. Ought to...but he may not. The game has gone past him and how many other teams would he be considered best 22 ?? My guess..NONE. His position at Melbourne is as much about our own malaise as it is about his own effectiveness. We need to stop continually running up the flagpole the ol' gem of he's a stalwart of the club. Even if he is, that doesnt mean you get a gig. It meas you get a thankyou and a place in our History.. You get our thanks for being there when it was indeed pretty woeful. I am always reminded it's a professional sport. Men aren't volunteering for the front...they are getting paid to perform on the highest stage this sport provides. Im sorry all it comes down to bang for buck. He's only been able to provide a glimmer because SO MANY are out. In a fashion he's doing his own Bradbury !! That and he epitomises a very basic style of game which the "Brains Trust " ( and I use that very loosely) seem very keen on. If we are to advance we need better disposers of the ball.Regardless of anyone's persuasion this has never been Nathan's forte. Irrespective of all of this , if the same folk are running our ship ( into the ground ) then he'll more than likely get another year. Other have..and I will too...you have to wonder if Clarkson would pander to him ??

In considering our coaching stock I'm reminded that Fish rot from the head down. Our real problems imho lay squarely at the senior coaching and management. The whole style and nature of our game is wrong, counterproductive and ruinous of careers ( and bodies ) Assistants are only doing the daily bidding of the senior coach(s). Our problems are more the effect of design. We have decent enough material .... its the Architecture of our game that's flawed. We need to get rid of this firm and get people who actually have an idea of what to do.This lot don't. and I would have thought there were actually quite a few Dees among those names in the OP

nupp...bloody phone..lol

I dunno BBO ....all one needs to do is stop taking the Dees seriously... I mean....look at the bunch of clowns running the footy...and in reality it is just one long party party PARTY !!! Life becomes so much more enjoyable the moment you realise it's all a farce

Salient points

Depends on whether you're coming or going ;)

nah...you're just bent !!!

lets hope

take out the howlers ?? which century will that happen 4.2 v 4.1 well have to give that to you eh only got in front once opposition vanished off the bench. You really going to argue otherwise ?

because....what is, IS irrespective of who has it when...it has an effect in a game. imho we only won because they couldnt beat us. We only got on top when they lacked numbers. Its not a glowing indictment of anything we're really clever at

pining !!!

well...we do give every team that advantage...goals on a platter we only got on top once their injury toll impacted. Our conversion was actually better today.Kudos...wherever/whomever. imagine if it had been a normal day ?? Freo could hardly effectively rotate in the last qtr. Anyone who doesnt get the significance of that dilemma ( for freo ) doesnt quite get footy We were lucky...Good for us

We won...yayyyyyyyy we managed to not trip over too many times against a very undermanned walking wounded version of a pretty much so-so team. We did some things much better...we were still pretty lucky. Today Ill take it. Tomorrow I'll reflect more and probably think...yeah...we're still bog average...and they were worse. Finals ?? yeah.....nah !!!

These are the opportunities to better your stocks...hanging onto nqr mediocre fair weather B graders is not the way forward...for success. Therefore its exactly what MFC will do

No apologies for bumping This is just marvelous, just BOOTIFUL !! Thankyou

according to who ? You ?

no...im Beelzebub...you're Card13..... and only Jaded....is Jaded !!!

you dont think hes carrying something, more than a niggle ? I do I dont believe one iota of the rubbish that emanates from DeeHQ. Last year we managed to drive half the team into the ground . Thats why many arent out there. Tmac was injured...i'll lay london to brick hes getting jabbed just to play the mediocre rubbish currently on display...No wonder he plays like he does. He KNOWS he cant give it 100% He's persisted with , imho, because there really arent too may options. We're quite a dumb club unfortunately , currently reaping what we sowed. Quite simply ...he cant perform as he was...because he cant. He knows it, must be soul destroying. That said...he's not doing himself any favours.

the short answer is the AFL over-steps everywhere and everything. It's so being stuffing up everything that was once iconic about OUR game it has forgotten it was only mandated to manage the game on behalf of the clubs,not dictate to all and sundry. The hypocrisy of the AFL knows no bounds

thats a shame...

Tommy Mac represents a big problem at our Dees He has issues ( fitness/medical) he was persisted with when clearly it was the wrong path. He wasn't the only one. We've run players into the concrete( gosch's ) What i do agree with wholeheartedly is that he should have been the cover,but we stuffed up, yet again. The idea suggested that we had Hogan's departure covered imho was reasonable. that it fluffed was due to incompetency of our FD. That things have gone awry isn't surprising to this reader

trade Angus ??? lol Probably trade most of the FD first !!!

its a symptom only...not THE issue