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Stuey Dew. Get the paperwork out

If Jaded is positive on a thread like this you just need to chalk it up as a W. That goes for me too by the way.

Well done Ooze! Plenty of false dawns and garden paths in the journey but you deserve this chance.

It couldn't miss twice could it?

Gotchya. Guess we'll see if he can still cut it as a no.1.

Horrific injury to Browns RB Nick Chubb on Tuesday. It was apparently so gruesome that ESPN would show a replay. Knees just aren't meant to bend that way ☹️ Steelers fans chanted Chubb's name as he was carted off the field. Take notes Collingwood, very possible for a big fanbase to act with grace.

I agree when it comes to psychology. Winning a flag can do a lot for it and your belief goes into another stratosphere. I look at the Geelong side of the 00s, RIchmond in the 10s as teams that were perenial losers to becoming consistent units after they broke through, for the last two seasons I believe we also had that effect. There can be the adverse affect as well though, two failed seasons and no win on the G in finals since 2018. Things like this have the potential to flatten the mindset and spiral, why would you continue to keep working as hard if it could all just fall apart at the end? It's a slippery slope and needs to be handled with care to get the mind in best shape as possible. AFL footballers do plenty of conditioning physically, they also need to do it mentally.

No team announcement tonight is going to hit me a bit.

No more Hickey I'm afraid. Definitely what Sydney needs.

The best thing about Collingwood is they play a style to suit the players at their disposal.

I'm sure the feeling was mutual Uncle Bitter 🙂

i'm sure there will be some kind of internal review. Just make sure the last two games are reviewed.

CIrcumstances for the season and this particular game are two different things though. I agree it didn't work as a whole but for this game we needed something. Max was playing 87% of the game in the ruck and on a busted toe, T-mac gave us zilch in terms of what we needed from a key forward/releiving ruckman. This was a game where Grundy could have given us a little more than what we had on the night and it wouldn't have needed to be much either. A couple of decent marks, stints in the ruck and the ability to move faster than 2kph could have been enough. Hell even if he'd done nothing but just ruck for the forward line and be a big body it would have been better than what we got. It's done now, Schache wasted as a sub not even getting on. live and learn (hopefully).

Do you guys know what Europa streams on? It's probably Stan yeah? PS: Responses to this question 1 post max, otherwise we'll have our butts kicked for talking Soccer in a footy thread 🤪

Excellent comparison. And yes with the 'route one' direct approach you need that target man doing the donkey work, getting knock downs and holding the ball up with back to goal. It's really quite similar and this is why it doesn't surprise me when I hear about some coaches like Clarko looking to the other sports for research.

Then a 'premiership wrought iron gate' which is obviously much harder to open.

The fact that Dunstan didn't get one game in that period baffles me. People were talking all year about how the recruitment of Grundy at least helped to keep Max fresh all year yet we totally rode Viney into the ground. What would we have done if he got injured god forbid? The smaller details count and they add up to the bigger picture. If I really wanted to conspiracy theory it I’d say that the cumulative workload he had over that period of time resulted in the fatigue that muffed his last kick in 2023, obviously I’m not going to reach that far but he got battered around this year.

I listened yesterday morning. I'm rarely able to listen live on Mon night and I didn't see that it was Tuesday so I assumed I was late to the party so that's probably the best thing that's happened to me in these last two weeks. Excellent show guys, I think a lot of our questions were laced with some chili due to the mood we were in but you guys dealt with them exceptionally well. You struck the balance between positivity and complete despair well too and I think a lot of people would have found this a good listen and easy to relate. The 87 prelim feeling was a great comparison which I hadn't thought of, mainly because I was very young at the time. For some reason the reference point I compare this feeling to the most is the end of 2017 when we missed finals. Different scenarios of course but if then there's so many questions, what ifs and promises of being so close but for whatever reason just fluffing it. Binman nails it when he talks about the need for elite or at least very good field kicking skill. The main catchcry is for a KPF which we do need but I’m not convinced it’s all we need. One or two elite kicks of the footy through the middle would open up more possibilities when it comes to moving the ball through there. Another thing Binman noted which I’ve been too annoyed to realise is that most teams are playing the forward half pressure game in these finals. So while I still wonder if the gamestyle is giving us the best chance with the players we have, I do see that this is still a proven method in finals. The difference is that when the forward 50 isn’t open, the Pies, the Lions and Giants have that bit more skill and are able to thread a few more passes into 50 than we are. That and we need to kick a lot straighter. Andy also brought up something that I’ve never heard one person in the media, commentary or expert opinions say. How is a player considered an A-grader if they aren’t an elite or at least very good kick? This to me is a requirement of an A-grader, if you are excellent at winning the ball or make great decisions but have Simon Godfrey level kicking then you are B-grade at best along with names like Parrish, Libba, Mcrae, Steele etc. Great stuff, I really need to stop thinking about it for a bit. Both of these games I've felt progressively worse as the week has gone on for some reason. Thanks anyway though guys.

For some of them they couldn't kick well in the first place. They may have come in to the club and really got to work on honing their routine and aspects of the skill but this may have just papered over some cracks with their base level technique and then once the whips were cracking they reverted to the old habits. Then you look at all the work Mark Williams did with the guys over the off season. They were binning them from everywhere and Max was really focussed on his new routine and more straight line movement and trying to account for his right to left. He wasn’t perfect but his routine looked so much more assured. Fast forward to the halfway mark of the season onwards and he’s back to the running outwards and raking across it, ending up with shanks that don’t stand a chance like we saw on Friday. When we are drafting kids we need to focus a bit more on their base level of technique in kicking, both for goal and field kicking. It’s time to put some value back in to the most basic fundamental skill of the sport.

Valid point. However if that were the case and he chose to sit out for anything less than serious personal reasons then I'd be extremely disappointed in Grundy and his professionalism. Whether or not he's been treated poorly he's still under contract with us and if healthy should be available for selection. Worst case scenario and I'd like to think it's not that one.

Works for me!

Yeah and while Smith had a good last game I'm not pencilling him down for 30 goals in a year.

It's one side of it. Another is the mental aspect. Another is that technique simply stinks.

I don't think I've had enough Scotch this winter.

Whether it was touched or not, I still don't know how they came to the 100% definitive decision to overturn as the ball was going back to the centre.