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Talk about integrity, the AFL has none. Really, they are just a business that are motivated totally by the dollar.

Paul Williams and Shane Wakelin former Pies made up 2/3 of the Tribunal after Christian the MRO another Pie put Greene out against their former club. A shocking look for a Tribunal system.

How can it be allowed for a Premiership player of a club, to officiate in an incident, where a player of his club, or the club they are playing are concerned. Not only Christian who rubs Greene out, but 2 out of the 3 Tribunal members were past Pies players. This is a disgrace. Another AFL one. Justice has to be seen to be done. Oh and by the way, Christian who was all about the injury caused to the victim, in rubbing out players, totally ignored in this incident that there was no injury or severe action in the incident as stated by the victim Neale, the club Doctor and Coach Fagan. They were totally ignored. My favourite comment is "what would have happened if the charged player was a Collingwood player?"

From the AGE: "The AFL will not fine Matthews, Bartel or Connors for their heavily critical comments of the MRO and tribunal process." You know why not, because they want it to go away. Here is part of Ronny Lerner's Age Article today: But Matthews told Macquarie Sports Radio on Friday morning it felt like the Giants had already been playing Collingwood all week after 1990 premiership player Michael Christian first laid the charge in his capacity as match review officer while former Magpies Shane Wakelin and Paul Williams sat on the tribunal on Tuesday night. Greene’s appeal was dismissed on Thursday night, prompting Matthews to declare “the system has failed” Greene who got suspended despite the absence of “a shred of evidence”. “We’re a little bit disappointed in the fact that not once but twice Lachie Neale’s testimony or evidence was discredited and this is probably a bloke who’s at worst going to be on the podium for the Brownlow on Monday night for the best-and-fairest player. “His evidence they washed their hands of it, [Brisbane Lions coach] Chris Fagan’s evidence [was] thrown out the door, Brisbane Lions doctor thrown out the door, the footage of Lachie Neale rubbing his nose thrown out the door. “You have three very well-respected people ... it just felt like it was pre-determined all week the result and that’s what we have to deal with. I think it’s a bit of Toby Greene factor, I think we all take that into account.” Matthews also went on SEN on Friday and said: “It seems to me that the only issues with [Neale’s] eye region are the people who laid the charge in the first place. “If you consider the facts of the case and put aside the emotion that seems to surround Toby Greene, and others in the competition from time to time, the facts of the case didn’t support the charge. “It’s a very, very disappointing outcome and I can’t be any clearer on this - the system has failed Toby Greene this week." Matthews said Greene’s long rap sheet should have had nothing to do with this case and that he was entitled to have his circumstances fairly assessed in isolation. “This whole week I’ve watched the media put up his rap sheet, most of which are parking fines – engaging in melees and whatever else,” he said.

From the AFL site: McLachlan said match review officer Michael Christian, a former Collingwood premiership player, had done a "great job" in assessing incidents this season. The Giants are seething at Greene's one-match suspension being upheld by the AFL appeals board on Thursday night. GWS chief executive David Matthews says he now has little confidence in the tribunal process, while Greene's manager Paul Connors has lashed the system. Connors sat next to Greene throughout the two-hour appeals board hearing on Thursday night. "He's gutted. It's a preliminary final we're talking about, this is big and if this was a Collingwood player, there would be uproar," Connors told Sportsday. "In over 20 years of management, I've never seen a worse decision. "You can have your opinions on Toby, but on the facts of the facts, this is a disgrace. "If this was any other player, especially if he was at Collingwood, I don't think we'd be hearing the last of it." Greene has now been suspended for seven games across his 144-game career and racked up more than $26,000 in fines. Matthews on Friday noted Christian had played in a premiership for Collingwood. "And it feels like we've been playing Collingwood all week," Matthews told Macquarie Radio.

If Frost goes, Oscar stays.

Well, I suppose we will know the outcome in a few weeks.

What, rubbing his hand over a player's forehead in a pack? Everybody agrees there was no eye gouge.

That's it. Also unmarried coupling. Over and out.

Have no problem with improving our list. Just surprised he is possibly on way out and others who most don’t rate, stay.

Not worried about skill and talent?

Very likely, but in the case of the players we can see who are not AFL standard, what other reason would you keep them for?

The club are putting on an end of season showing of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and we are short, pardon the pun, a couple of dwarfs.

I am bemused that we have a player who has height and pace and played every game, in this his best season with us and yet we are not trying to keep him and while we allegedly extend a player like ANB, for 2 years, who is small, not fast, can’t mark, kick or handball and is one of several in his position and who has had a terrible season.

In the worst MRO/Tribunal Decision in ages, Toby Greene, arguably the Giant's best remaining player, is banned from the Preliminary Final against the Pies, by MRO Officer Michael Christian, a former Premiership player with the Pies and then the Tribunal consisting of 2 former Pies players in Shane Wakelin and Paul Williams. Yes Justice has to be seen to be done, as well as done. The decision has been panned by everyone in football other than Pies fans. Clearly the whole football world has got this one wrong. Oh and by the way, the "you have to hurt the victim" rule, just flew out the window. Leading ex players and footy media are calling it an absolute disgrace. Could you imagine it happening the other way round, to say Pendlebury?

Is there a player the Blues or Saints aren't going after?

Ethan the tradenewsbreaker’s cousin.

No I wouldn’t, but I would keep Joel Smith.

Suns have asked the AFL for our midfield group including Max, Clarry and Gus and the AFL are considering it. AFL have told us not to complain, as they have said we will be given a round 4 pick for all of them, as compo.

That was Basil Clarkson, his cousin, who lives in WA.

Couldn't disagree more.

Are the Pies blessed? Fall into the 4. Play the Cats at their home ground. Play the Giants with all Pies supporters at their home ground. Play the Giants with Ward, Coniglio, Whitfield and maybe Greene out.

Yep. You could argue that 16 of that group of 19, were better than our 2 picks and one of ours was pick 4. A disaster. Unfortunately one of many.

If you wanted him, you would add Billy to the deal, to help get it done and to let both SA boys return home.

I think we just take every delisted player and FA and then we will win a flag with our list of 120.