Redleg

That's how our year has gone Daz. We should be on top having beaten Swans, Dogs and Pies and not giving a rat's about Cripps and the Blues. Our kicking for goals has been a disgrace and that is why we are where we are. I have one question, why did the Tribunal Chairman Jeff Gleeson, an extremely experienced and competent Sports advocate, say that Cripps was contesting not bumping? As I said in an earlier post, this stinks to high heaven, as it has led to the successful appeal. Why did he say that? If he said it was a bump, it was all over. I said I smelt a rat. The AFL can now say we tried to protect the head, we suspended him, the Tribunal agreed, but the Appeals Board saw it differently. The star plays, the crowds come, the media salivates and the Brownlow has another live runner. IMO Gil can't leave quick enough.

The Carlton QC probably did it for free, as he is on their Board.

April this year.

The hulking ruckman left Day with a concussion after the pair collided in an incident which divided opinion among seasoned AFL observers. Some felt the ban was justified, since Day had been forced into concussion protocols and substituted out of Sunday's 69-point loss to the Saints, while others considered Ryder hard done by, arguing the Saints ruckman had simply held his ground as Day ran into him.

I don't think they can, but they could site him for unduly rough play and suspend him again, but they would probably then get an injunction.

I think you are missing the point. I am sure they have found he contested, not bumped. Paddy Ryder who stood still and had a player run into him and get whiplash, copped two weeks. He should sue.

I hope Chandler is furious with us for not supporting him.

Don't worry, the next no name will cop plenty.

The rat is now running all over the Appeals Board hearing room and heading back to the AFL offices.

Appeals Board is ex an Supreme Court Judge and 2 former players who are lawyers. It is now hard to read, taking so long. Is it to be we considered the submissions long and hard, but the appeal fails, or while we understand the reason for the AFL rule to protect heads, we have on a technicality, found this concussion was caused by a legal contest, not a bump?

Just to top things off, Carlton is to get a draft compo pick for a 30 year old retiring rather than be vaccinated under the AFL guidelines. Give us a break.

That rat is getting more smelly.

The door has been opened. Apparently the Tribunal said he was contesting the ball but should have been more careful. They didn’t say he bumped. I smell a rat. Why wouldn’t they have simply found he bumped? Is this a set up to get him off at the last stop, so it looks like they fought hard to suspend him. We will see.

His injury history is playing nearly every game since his second season and only really being injured this year. Let's not rewrite history.

No dramas, Max can probably play against him at the Cats or Port, as they are apparently very interested too. I am not advocating we get Grundy, but surely he would be better than a less talented, less experienced ruckman, who will probably cost us about $200k less and may not help Max as much as he can. I don't see any other AA ruckmen rushing over to us. What is the value of having Max for a couple more years and maybe fitter and fresher in finals? It's also interesting that Max seems to be in favour of getting him across to us and met with him and our FD. I am sure JT and TL will make the right decision.

Agree and his stats aren't too bad for those that love them. Played nearly every game since his second season. Only played 6 games before injury this year, so a light year for his body. I am sure the rationale is to let him do all the heavy lifting and extend Max's career. If you got another 5 years out of both of them, that would be a great result. If we ended up paying him $600k-$650k a year and give up a lowish pick, for an AA ruckman, who prolongs Max's career into the bargain, that is again another great result. Imagine a fesh and fit Max coming into a finals series, he could be a match winner like the 2021 PF. Brodie Grundy Born:15-Apr-1994 (Debut:19y 103d Last:28y 10d) Height:203 cm Weight:100 kg VFL/AFL: 12223rd player to appear, 882nd most games played, 1754th most goals kicked Collingwood: 1110th player to appear, 57th most games played, 140th most goals kicked Year Team # GM W-D-L KI MK HB DI GL BH HO TK RB IF CL CG FF FA BR CP UP CM MI 1% BO GA Totals 177 89-2-86 1406 615 1674 3080 60 55 5629 741 193 382 722 653 307 314 64 1784 1371 158 51 406 30 53 Averages 17.70 50.85% 7.94 3.47 9.46 17.40 0.34 0.31 31.80 4.19 1.09 2.16 4.08 3.69 1.73 1.77 0.38 10.08 7.75 0.89 0.29 2.29 0.17 0.30 2013 Collingwood 35 7 4-0-3 35 18 53 88 1 3 151 22 3 15 17 22 8 16 52 42 3 3 13 1 2014 Collingwood 4 15 8-0-7 73 36 79 152 3 8 272 51 16 28 24 47 11 29 77 79 11 7 29 1 7 2015 Collingwood 4 19 9-0-10 156 66 137 293 8 3 462 85 24 34 61 61 28 30 154 137 9 5 30 1 6 2016 Collingwood 4 21 9-0-12 190 81 197 387 11 8 548 92 20 43 81 85 39 39 7 205 194 14 10 49 6 5 2017 Collingwood 4 20 9-1-10 166 73 202 368 4 5 714 78 27 42 81 74 26 26 2 197 172 17 3 45 3 5 2018 Collingwood 4 26 17-0-9 206 92 319 525 9 8 1038 134 28 61 138 91 55 43 17 318 223 32 5 73 8 9 2019 Collingwood 4 24 16-0-8 237 105 274 511 7 11 1022 104 28 50 146 102 53 47 23 329 202 29 4 64 4 4 2020 Collingwood 4 19 10-1-8 105 57 168 273 3 3 593 68 14 37 61 48 43 28 6 169 110 20 5 41 2 6 2021 Collingwood 4 20 4-0-16 185 72 197 382 12 6 647 84 28 49 80 92 31 43 9 218 174 20 9 42 3 5 2022 Collingwood 4 6 3-0-3 53 15 48 101 2 182 23 5 23 33 31 13 13 65 38 3 20 2 5

It's not a Court. It's an AFL appointed Board.

WC have pick 2 this year, which they probably wont have in the future.

To succeed he would have to establish that the decision the Tribunal made, was not open to them on the evidence. That is an extremely high bar. Essentially you are asking for a finding that the Tribunal completely stuffed up the case.

That is why I want a key forward from Freo, a ruckman and a high pick, to get another key forward in the draft. That would solve our key forward problems and with possibly Grundy, our ruck ones as well. We can then look to improve the list again, through FA or draft. Would it be a better list without Jacko, but with say Treacy, Meek, Cadman/Jefferson and Grundy? I would think so. Key forwards JVR, Treacy, Cadman/Jefferson with BBB and Tom to mentor for one more year. Max's career extended, by Grundy doing a lot of the heavy lifting.

He now has a stress fracture in his foot. Would need to be very careful. Pies may not be only wanting to salary dump, but crock dump too.

IF we want Grundy I would be offering about $600k per year, with Pies to pay the rest and receive around pick 50. If they don't like it Grundy can say he is staying. Step 1 is to get Grundy onside and to say he will only go to the Dees or stay a Pie. Then we do the negotiating. I would never give the Pies a round one pick for him, nor would I accept two lowly round one picks for Jackson. That would be absolutely ridiculous, for trading a 20 year old potential champion, premiership player and former pick 3.

Rowell continued playing, not hurt.

Yes probably $600k-$700k. I would guess they would be doing it to preserve Max’s body and lengthen his career. They then could get key forwards in the LJ trade, by getting one from Freo, plus a high pick to get another and maybe a Meek as the Insurance or a young rookie ruck. Could solve most problems with the list in one hit.

It will be a salary dump and he will go for a late pick and Pies paying a chunk. He holds the cards. They want his salary out. They do the deal, or he stays for 5 years on full pay. Does sound like we have accepted LJ going.