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I think we have done really well with mid round and late round and rookie listed picks, it has been the top end of the draft with the superstar players where we have fallen over.

I believe it is basically signed and sealed. Listening to Gary Pert (Pies CEO) on SEN before the Anzac clash he said the clubs all support the proposals, whatever they are and are 100% behind the expansion and the need for those clubs to be strong right from the start. THat leaves us a little vulnerable... we should be used to it by now

Well done instead of vitriol some basic concepts of a solution. At the time Gardner was the best candidate, he has said for a number of years he doesn't want to do the job forever. Translation he wants to move on but as there seems to be no one else who actually wants to do it with the criteria you suggested then he has to keep on going with it. He stuck his hand up to do the job, has he done a fantastic job? No but at least he is putting his arse on the line. Not to sure I agree on the Bails assessment just yet. I think you need a coach to coach...We need a CEO to market the club and a marketing dept to market the club. I think Bails is and will continue to scare the [censored] out of those mentioned players along with the leadership group that seems to have taken on a greater role within the discipline process this season. Bails turned over a portion of the list but had to keep a certain portion as he was coming in blind, as another thread is discussing we will turn over another huge portion of games at the end of they year, it doesn't happen mid season. I'm shattered to see us in this position, we are so far off the pace it is not funny. But I think we are moving in the right direction. Whether this is rosy glasses only time will tell. We need a new Pres and to wait for the end of the season before our list is turned over and we get a new influx of draftees and another preseason into the draftees from the last two seasons

What?!?! Mo you make some good points on here but this one baffles me. If he has laid 7 tackles, 7!, tackles that is 7 times the ball will be kept in our forward line. That is 7 more opportunities for us to potentially score... we [censored] and moan about robbo or nieta not showing anything in our f50, a bloke goes about laying 7 tackles for a forward that is outstanding. 7 chances for the ball to spill out and another forward slot a goal, 7 potential holding/dropping the balls....

Maybe a light at then end of this tunnel too... Matthew Warnock Matt Warnock has been consistently in our best three players over the past three weeks. He had 28 touches across the half back line. He showed a real balance in his game, he beat his man one on one, and marked well and attacked the game off half back. With Matt’s recent form, he is on the verge of senior selection.

Again someone has said this in another post and it is true, very few play for the jumper as they barracked for other teams as kids, it is about playing for the $$ and for your team mates now days. You might be able to entice a JB by stroking his ego... you could build this club back to where it belongs, top of the ladder, you could be the saviour blah blah blah. Then you need to show him more money than anyone else can as we have such bad facilites. as for DICK Cheney have some solutions to the [censored] you're saying or don't bother.

... when does Riewoldt's contract expire?? I just think things are on the verge of massive changes in the way the AFL does things. With the new clubs, drafting priorites for TWO teams, potential FA and trading, I hope we are looking ahead for it all.

I thought he might have been better than that but his best game was 21 possies, he has massive hamstring issues. He can't get on the park to prove his potential. He was drafted in 2001 and has played 58 games at 25 yrs of age.... I don't get it either.

The issue is as RR and Jumbo have said in another thread the most who come through the PSD are not quite right, either in the head or on footy ability. Whilst Fev is one of the superstars of the comp he is now looking at his last big contract, he is a Blues man through and through now, and he has a history of stuffing up. He is on his last warning, would you really want that bloke around our seemingly fragile group. Nieta, who from what we have heard over the last few days, is the most dedicated MFC man going around yet can not lift this group how would a knuckle head like Fev mess with there heads. Judd is a rarity in everything he does, and i think he might have if not opened the flood gates he certainly has pushed them further a jar for players to look to move more freely. They players assoc has been talking about free agency for a number of years now and even the likes of J Brown want it, it is a matter of the quality of superstar you chase. Judd yes, Kerr definately look at although he is a knuckle head as well, Fev i would say no.... My 2 cents

boom boom. Keep up the good work!

I'd be thinking more along the lines of a Primsall/Byrnes who can't quite get in the 1's yet are supposed to be players of some value. It is not easy to break into that side. Same at Hawks with the forward line excess. We do not seem to have many options and a Williams or a Boyle would be a ready made solution depending on the draft pick they want. Fev is up for contract, Blues offering 1 year deal, he wants long term for potentially his final contract.... I also read with interest todays paper with the draft concessions the QLD and NSw teams are going to potentially get... Time to look at trades now for those drafts. Lets think outside of the square. I wrote a piece on big footy at the start of the year and I think the heading was MFC drafting = terrible, so no. I grabbed a heap of facts from Footywire on every draft we've had. We ave the 3rd least number of games per player drafted. His pointy end of drafts have been terrible. The late round and rookie selections have been great for us over the years.

I think the only issue with the logic of trading some of those names is the footy dept of the time thought they were all required players... Now that veiw seems pretty clearly to not have been correct.. You have to give up something to get something, Danners and CAC thought they had the list to win a flag.... Like you said RR Bails is stuck with what has been left over and he will have a number of years to try and get out of this hole. And correct the AFL draft is NQR players and maybe they need to look at it a little differently especially with the two new teams coming being able to cherry pick talent before the drafts...

Na you're right JR, just would have been interesting to see some facts. I agree with you though that they failed to develop those two players but at the same time were they actually as good as the position they were drafted??? Yea and I think the coyness is where some change might need to take place... along the lines of opening up and looking at say a Hawthorn and see they have a bucket load of talent.. can we as a club convince them we have one player/draft pick that will get them over the top for a Boyle or a Williams who seem to be expendable but would help us out.. Or a Geelong, how many excess players do they have that we might be able to try and target that would add some value? Would they add any value? Would it be better for us to keep all our draft picks/players (I doubt we'd get one offer for any of our players) and build through the draft over 3 years near the bottom?

oh RR it is a touch early din din isn't it, or are you heading down to the 4pm early bird special.... My point, obviously was not made well enough, was I assumed that he would be an automatic promotion and play some senior footy now. We have seen a number of the current listed players so far this season and they have not looked the goods as yet. I am interested to see how Valenti will go at the next level, if he is good enough then it opens up potential trade opportunites, if anyone will touch our current players. I understoond his point and it's ramifications but thanks again for the direction, you're a good man RR

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Hey Jumbo... Have you got facts to back that up? I'd be interested to see if we did not offer players to trade away, i'd suggest Danners would not have wanted to trade anyone as he was such a players man. Would also be interested to see if other clubs wanted any of our players and the offers they made. We seem to keep players based on potential when they could have been traed away for potentially decent draft picks. I have spent two years in the USA and watched NBA, NFL and NHL and how they go about the trades scenarios... they are not afraid to trade away 4, 5, 6 players in one go. I know they are different games but the principles are the same. Salary cap, win now mentalities for some clubs, rebuilding phases through the drafts for others... AFL as a whole needs to become more savy about trading, with a caveat. Very few teams in NBA, NFL, NHL have won championships trading for talent without an already decent core of talent, the Boston Celtics look like they could buck the trend. The draft is the way to build strong championship lists in salary cap sports which then moves to list management which we have been poor at.

At the news conference just held Bails said no one has been promoted and they might not prmote anyone. Fark me he is a hard man. I would of thought Valsa was a monty to come up. He said Valsa has been showing some alright form but needs to show more form before he will be put. Making him really work for it. I hope it spurs him on to work even harder and earn a spot.

Lot of healthy discussions. In todays Age they mentioned in the last para that Yze is close to getting a recall.. I'd be shocked and very disappointed if he did. Great servant of the club over the last 6 years but time to move on, what value in bringing him in? Hopefully Valsa and Maric get a promtion along with Bate (if he is 100%) with Garland a potential inclusion after his BOG at Sandy. What time is the press conference scheduled for today so I can tune into SEN?

I'm not disagreeing but you have to have 38 on the list at any one time. With Nieta on LTI then it is 37 so they can promote whomever they see fit. Who knows with Bails but you would have to think it would be Valsa, he just seems further developed than the other rookie fellas. No [censored] since he is older....

Connolly said Neitz would continue to work with rookie senior coach Dean Bailey. "I have never come across a player who loved his football club or would do more for his football club than David Neitz," Connolly said. "He is the most passionate club man I think I've ever met."

GrGreen FF, Maric comes in as a crumber, which we have not had since Farmer left us. Just a thought but ya think there is a direct correlation of players want to "return home" (Farmer and Thompson) and our rubbish facilities?

Little concerned about the body getting right, if they met a specialist in Feb and they said not much can be done about it, you won't be hurt further just lost of pain when it gets knocked in certain ways... 8 weeks will make it better?? I hope so. And the question still remains will he have to regain form at Sandy or come straight back in at Bails 100%?

Here here! When he said he wanted to be seen as being part of turning us around towards the end of the season when he can get back I got chills then... Good good man to be leading our club till the end of the season Hopefully the QueenC can drop the link tomo for those who want to watch the man in action. ps fark you Hutchy, fark you right in the ahnus with a pitchfork. You offer to many opinions based of half facts and half truths for mine then true and push agendas of your own.. ie loose the bounce.

Lyon "How does it feel after the AFL kicked the MFC in the guts?" Farken Carro jumps in ans says not it was a constructive meeting and out come Lyon jumps her and says no it wasn't it was a kick in the guts... Neita "It really hurts but we need the people (aupporters) to get behind the club, to be around we as the club (players, coahces, admin) need to stand up and sort it out as well. It hurts like hell but we want it to be better than where we are." Always a bit light on for actual details on how things are being fixed and the next steps and signs we can see a light at the end of the tunnel but he is hurting, we are all hurting and we need to keep behind the club...

Arch has offered something... you look like you are stuck inbetween ND's game plan and Bails game plan is that fair? Nieta "Yes it is, we had 10 years one way and we are learning new way. we need to be better for longer..." (same responses as Bails has been trotting out)