Whispering_Jack

On what little I saw of him he looks lightly built and not ready for AFL. The TAC Cup clubs take a few overage age players every year and, if he qualifies, then perhaps another year at this level might hold him in good stead. Collingwood's Tom Langdon did exactly that at the Sandy Dragons in 2013 before getting drafted at 65 as a 19 year old and then had a very successful debut season with the Pies. And of course, Tyler could keep an eye on the young potential recruits coming up in the competition for us - the perfect recruiting scout.

You may not agree with the idea but "manipulation" is a strong term given that it should only be done with the full agreeement of Jack Trengove on the basis that his contract is fully honoured given that he would otherwise most likely spend 2015 on the sidelines and on the LTI. "Manipulation" is what the club was trying to do with Jack when it was involved in the attempt to "shop" him off to Richmond and, even in that situation, there were many who agreed that if it was in the interests of the club and the player, it was an acceptable thing to do and not only that, but that it's part and parcel of the way things are going in football today. I don't agree with delisting Jordie McKenzie and placing him on the rookie list. There's no reason to do so and he has an established record at the club. With Nev Jetta, it's already been announced that we intend to uplift him to the primary list and I see no reason why that shouldn't happen. As for delisting Michael Evans with the promise of being rookied (and again honouring the last year of his contract), it's not as if we're creating a precedent in the AFL. Evans is a long way off the mark as far as gaining a place in our senior team is concerned. He has worked his way up once and he would have a further challenge to do it again but that's the reality of life in the big league. Finally, I don't suggest doing anything "just so we can take ND53" but rather, if the club has a specific target in mind for a player in the PSD, as a DFA or if it has strong reason to believe that a player it requires who would add value to the list would be available at 53 then it would be a win-win situation for all concerned if all parties are happy with the arrangement.

Problem is that it sounds like we're a support group for someone who's completely incapacitated which Jack isn't but I do agree that this was never the thread to check in on a daily basis to discover the latest prognosis. Can I suggest that the Jack Trengove Support Group meets at Jack's place every Monday and Thursday evening at 6.30 and could someone bring along some old videos, a set of dominoes and four packs of playing cards. We'll have him back on track in no time.

Since the events of recent memory nobody gets appointed to fulfill any task as the MFC (and that includes match day door person and boot studder) without full approval of the rank and file of Demonland. Please remember that.

I think I can say I was right about him. We would have drafted him in the PSD at the end of 2008 but Liam Jurrah became available and our recruiting people snapped him up instead. We still might have taken him on the same day with pick 1 in the rookie draft but Brisbane snared him with pick 5 in the PSD (which was the second-last selection in that draft). Richmond had the last pick and were committed to Ben Cousins so we missed out on Tom by a bee's diaphragm. Still, we got Jordie McKenzie instead who probably was ahead of Rockliff until the last couple of seasons. Neither would quite fall into the category of first and foremost AFL standard footballers in the first place and hence neither was drafted onto a primary list. Both needed something extra to make it and because they were both too small and too slow, neither ever did. And neither is in the class of Rockliff or Brayshaw.

Angus Brayshaw's Mad Monday Profile

My viewing of the highlights and reading of the reviews has me only partly convinced about him. I have this "vibe" that tells me that he promises to be like so many of our draft picks of the past. At least, he goes into a different system and hopefully a different team culture to that which existed at the club over the past decade but for mine, the jury's still a bit out.

Meanwhile, Luke McAllister has Laverde placed at 5th in his Phantom Draft

Knightmare has him at 13 in his rankings:-

Let's look at the draft profiles:- Paige Cardona has him going at 5 to Collingwood

Whether the Bulldogs were right or not in dispensing with McCartney's services as senior coach, doesn't necessarily impact on us employing him to develop junior players. It's my understanding that McCartney was brutally honest in his assessment of a number of players at their end of year interviews, particularly some of the senior lot which caused sufficient discomfort for a few of them to make the decision to walk. It's a dangerous business these days to be brutally honest with your senior players and the Bulldogs will doubtless find this out in years to come. Melbourne and the Doggies fought out two close games this year and certainly in the second, their younger brigade stood out. But I believe the reason they won both was the steadiness and experience of their older players. It was a good mix but they won't have it next year and that's pretty ominous for them given that if you reverse the results of those two matches, we finish ahead of them on the ladder at the end of the season. If he is in fact appointed, then McCartney's impeccable record in the development of juniors at Geelong and the Bulldogs is what would have attracted Melbourne. The fact that he was able to attract some of the players he worked with at Geelong over to the Dogs as assistants says a lot about his personal skills with the players who he spent a long time in developing.

Sounds ominous until you reach the final paragraph which I presume reflects John Pierik's understanding of the sanctions any players are likely to receive if found guilty:- My starting point would be the opening half of next season and even that is likely to be regarded as lenient by ASADA or WADA. Not only that, there's every risk that leniency towards the players might give rise to pressure for team penalties that could lead to the ousting of Essendon from the competition altogether for a period of time. I don't think the AFL or the sport needs that at this particular time.

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He's not. People are saying that the Saints will take him with pick 1 because it was reported recently that they were going to apply to the AFL to have him train with the club on the basis that they planned to take him with their pick 1 in the PSD.

Seems to be a night of scoops on Demonland so I thought I might bring you this earth-shattering news from the HUN:- Melbourne firming to select midfielder Angus Brayshaw in next months national draft You have good reason to be sceptical despite the quote being in the above article Bob. That latter time is close to elite for 18 year olds and the improvement in the time is sensational as well. I've watched him at training both at MFC (in January when he was doing AIS work experience at the club with Billy Stretch) and at the Sandringham Dragons and he just isn't that quick. He certainly wasn't tested at the recent draft combine because of an ankle injury. I've only seen him play when fit in a televised game and he didn't look to have elite pace although he's handy and yes, I'm sure they'll have him working on his endurance when he makes our list. What I like about him first and foremost from what I've seen is that he's a footballer first in that he's got all the skills and most importantly, he's good on both sides of the body. It's this that IMO puts him ahead of Petracca.

And just a little embarrassing too

You should be watching the A League Derby. It's exciting and it's a game that Melbourne can't lose.

Any chance that he could bring Tom Boyd with him while, at the same time leaving Boyd's contract with the doggies?

St. Kilda are likely to take Petracca although they might continue to think long and hard about McCartin. They need to groom another key forward to replace Riewoldt when he eventually goes but I think they will conclude that can wait and, with picks 21 & 22, they're a chance to pick up Reece McKenzie from the Northern Knights. I don't think McCartin is in the mix for 2 or 3 at Melbourne. We have Dawes and Hogan to come in and we've retained Jack Fitzpatrick who will be interesting to observe on return to training in terms of how the fitness and conditioning guys have gone about working on his body shape. Paul Roos has made it abundantly plain that we need more work on our midfield and that's where the emphasis will surely be with our drafting. Brayshaw would have to be a lock and the third pick would have to be down to Jake Lever, a defender who some think might be turned into a tall (now 194cm) midfielder* after being out of action with an ACL in 2014 or Jayden Laverde who seems to have all the skills and can play midfield and up forward and is a good height at 189cm tall. * Knightmare ~ "Midfield potential I cannot help but think there could be some scope to possibly pinch-hit through the midfield down the track if a club wants him to. He seems to have the cleanness below the knees, aggression and attack on the ball and also some reasonable evasiveness. He can run and carry the footy and use it cleanly and offensively by hand, looking comfortable with ball in hand. So he ticks the boxes from a trait standpoint and at his height if he can put all those things together then he could have an impact."

And just to give this thread a little more gravitas, Adelaide won the GWS Cox Plate this afternoon.

Thanks 'oil. Well, she's at odds with Chris25 who recently released his updated phantom draft (still no detailed profiles). He selects Bampton at 40 which would suit me - and he also has Gore available at that choice. I think his top four is about right to with the Saints taking Petracca, us getting Brayshaw and Lever and the Giants getting McCartin as their replacement for Boyd. The Saints get their KPF with their second pick and we unite two brothers with pick 53.I don't think the two Macs will end up in the same team (not even sure that we'll use 53 in the draft or at all yet) but I'd be happy with this (noting we would then take Nev as a rookie upgrade in the 80s) - Round 1 1. St Kilda - Christian Petracca (186cm, 92kg midfielder/forward from Eastern Ranges, VIC) 2. Melbourne - Angus Brayshaw (187cm, 86kg midfielder from Sandringhan Dragons, VIC) 3. Melbourne - Jake Lever (192cm, 84kg defender from Calder Cannons, VIC) 4. GWS - Patrick McCartin (193cm, 95kg forward from Geelong Falcons, VIC) 5. Collingwood - Lachie Weller(181cm, 71kg midfielder from Broadbeach, QLD) 6. GWS - Jordan DeGoey (187cm, 82kg midfielder from Oakleigh Chargers, VIC) 7. GWS - Peter Wright (203cm, 102kg ruckman/forward from Calder Cannons, VIC) 8. Gold Coast - Jayden Laverde (189cm, 82kg midfielder/defender from Western Jets, VIC) 9. Collingwood - Darcy Moore (199cm, 93kg defender/forward from Oakleigh Chargers, VIC) 10. Geelong - Jarrod Pickett (180cm, 68kg midfielder from South Fremantle, WA) 11. West Coast - Paul Ahern (181cm, 77kg midfielder from Calder Cannons, VIC) 12. Richmond - Liam Duggan(183cm, 76kg midfielder from Western Jets, VIC) 13. Fremantle - Sam Durdin (197cm, 87kg defender/forward from West Adelaide, SA) 14. Adelaide - Hugh Goddard (196cm, 93kg defender/forward from Geelong Falcons, VIC) 15. Gold Coast - Kyle Langford (190cm, 73kg forward/defender from Northern Knights, VIC) 16. North Melbourne - Tom Lamb (192cm, 83kg forward from Dandenong Stingrays, VIC) 17. Essendon - Caleb Marchbank (193cm, 85kg defender from Murray Bushrangers, VIC) 18. Sydney - Isaac Heeney (186cm, 82kg midfielder from Cardiff, NSW/ACT) 19. Carlton - Corey Ellis (185cm, 76kg midfielder from Western Jets, VIC) 20. Essendon - Jarrod Garlett (177cm, 73kg midfielder/forward from South Fremantle, WA) 21. St Kilda - Jackson Nelson (187cm, 80kg midfielder/defender from Geelong Falcons, VIC) Round 2 22. St Kilda - Reece McKenzie(196cm, 100kg forward from Northern Knights, VIC) 23. GWS - Keenan Ramsey (193cm, 86kg defender/forward from Port Adelaide, SA) 24. GWS - Jack Steele (186cm, 82kg midfielder from Belconnen, NSW/ACT) 25. North Melbourne - Nakia Cockatoo (188cm, 84kg midfielder/defender from NT Thunder, NT) 26. Western Bulldogs - Josh Glenn(179cm, 78kg midfielder/defender from Central Districts, SA) 27. Western Bulldogs - Connor Blakely (186cm, 81kg midfielder from Swan Districts, WA) 28. Carlton - Oleg Markov (186cm, 69kg midfielder from North Adelaide, SA) 29. Gold Coast - Mitch McGovern (191cm, 84kg forward from Claremont, WA) 30. Collingwood - Brayden Maynard (186cm, 88kg midfielder/defender from Sandringham Dragons, VIC) 31. Hawthorn - Declan Hamilton(183cm, 68kg midfielder/forward from Port Adelaide, SA) 32. West Coast - Brenden Abbott (185cm, 92kg midfielder/defender from Claremont, WA) 33. Richmond - Connor Menadue (188cm, 69kg midfielder from Western Jets, VIC) 34. Fremantle - Clem Smith (178cm, 67kg defender/midfielder from Perth, WA) 35. Adelaide - Alex Neal-Bullen(182cm, 77kg midfielder/defender from Glenelg, SA) 36. North Melbourne - Damien Cavka (184cm, 79kg midfielder from Calder Cannons, VIC) 37. Sydney - Ed Vickers-Willis(190cm, 82kg defender from Sandringham Dragons, VIC) 38. Sydney - Jack Hiscox (184cm, 74kg midfielder from Sydney University, NSW) 39. Western Bulldogs - Daniel McKenzie (183cm, 77kg midfielder/defender from Oakleigh Chargers, VIC) 40. Melbourne - Peter Bampton (182cm, 83kg midfielder from Norwood, SA) Round 3 41. St Kilda - Christian Buykx-Smith (193cm, 82kg defender from Gippsland, VIC) 42. Melbourne - Billy Stretch (181cm, 70kg midfielder from Glenelg, SA) 43. Adelaide - James Rose (186cm, 78kg forward/midfielder from Sturt, SA) 44. Brisbane - Liam Dawson (188cm, 81kg defender/midfielder from Aspley, QLD) 45. Western Bulldogs - Caleb Daniel(167cm, 66kg midfielder from South Adelaide, SA) 46. Western Bulldogs - Brenton Payne (193cm, 76kg forward from Western Jets, VIC) 47. Geelong - Cory Gregson (175cm, 72kg midfielder from Glenelg, SA) 48. Collingwood - Harrison Wigg(179cm, 74kg midfielder/defender from North Adelaide, SA) 49. Hawthorn - Dean Gore (183cm, 86kg midfielder from Sturt, SA) 50. Hawthorn - Tom Read (200cm, 92kg ruckman from Sturt, SA) 51. West Coast - Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (185cm, 80kg defender from Western Jets, VIC) 52. Richmond - Jaden McGrath (179cm, 73kg midfielder/defender from Bendigo, VIC) 53. Melbourne - Oscar McDonald (196cm, 88kg defender from North Ballarat, VIC) 54. Fremantle - Mac Bower (190cm, 77kg defender/forward from Norwood, SA) 55. Geelong - Bailey Dale (182cm, 70kg midfielder/forward from Dandenong Stingrays, VIC) 56. North Melbourne - Tyler Keitel(194cm, 86kg forward/defender from East Perth, WA) 57. Port Adelaide - Ben Edwards (192cm, 73kg forward from Glenelg, SA) 58. Sydney - Brydon Hodgson (185cm, 79kg midfielder from Murray Bushrangers, NSW) 59. Adelaide - Daniel Nielson (193cm, 90kg defender from Eastern Ranges, VIC) Round 4 60. Geelong - Daniel Howe (191cm, 84kg defender/midfielder from Murray Bushrangers, VIC) 61. Carlton - Toby McLean (179cm, 70kg forward from Oakleigh Chargers, VIC) 62. Essendon - Aidan Anderson (182cm, 83kg forward from Swan Districts, WA) 63. Brisbane - Harris Andrews (198cm, 91kg defender from Aspley, QLD) 64. Western Bulldogs - Zaine Cordy (192cm, 80kg defender from Geelong Falcons, VIC) 65. Carlton - Josh McGuinness (189cm, 72kg defender from Lauderdale, TAS) 66. Gold Coast - Tom Faul (187cm, 86kg midfielder from Ainslie, NSW/ACT) 67. Brisbane - Daniel Butler (181cm, 79kg midfielder from North Ballarat, VIC) 68. Hawthorn - Hugh Beasley (190cm, 86kg defender from Oakleigh Chargers, VIC) 69. West Coast - Lukas Webb(186cm, 80kg midfielder/forward from Gippsland Power, VIC) 70. Richmond - Sam Bennett (189cm, 80kg defender from North Ballarat, VIC) 71. Essendon - Matthew Goodyear (185cm, 77kg midfielder from Calder Cannons, VIC) 72. Fremantle - Matthew Hanson (182cm, 73kg midfielder from Western Storm, TAS) 73. Geelong - Dougal Howard (195cm, 88kg forward from Murray Bushrangers, NSW) 74. North Melbourne - Brett Turner (183cm, 79kg midfielder from West Adelaide, SA) 75. Port Adelaide - Nick Jackson (195cm, 86kg defender from Aspley, QLD) 76. Sydney - Abe Davis (193cm, 90kg forward/defender from UNSW-Easts, NSW/ACT) 77. Hawthorn - Matthew Uebergang (193cm, 87kg forward from Ipswich, QLD) Other Picks 80. GWS - Jeremy Finlayson (195cm, 84kg forward/defender from Hills Eagles, NSW/ACT) 81. Brisbane - Josh Clayton (190cm, 80kg forward/midfielder from Sandringham Dragons, VIC) 87. West Coast - Alec Waterman (183cm, 89kg midfielder from Claremont, WA)

Chris25 posted this on Bigfooty in June and it basically answers my question about why SA players are not rated individually in the Phantom Drafts despite (now) being the championship state team:- Quite simple and straight-forward really.

The only ones of remote interest to me would be the Geelong pair George Burbury and Jordan Schroder but my opinion's based on how I viewed them at least a year ago because I didn't really follow the VFL as much in 2014 as in the past and don't know what held back their progress during the season other than the strength of the Cats' list which made it hard for them to break into the AFL team.

Agree - somebody had to do the spruiking and Daniher covered for Harris brilliantly. Bob, my guess is that David Thurin might not last long. I hope he continues to be as generous a contributor to the club as he has been during his tenure on the board. From the list, you left out that unforgettable CEO whose claim to fame was to raise our profile at Wimbledon Centre Court. It makes you wonder who was in charge of hiring CEO's at the club - I had a dream lst night it was Barry Prendergast.

I suppose when you go to Carlton, a club with such a great culture and no record of tanking, salary cap breaches or any other dishonest activity it's surprising that you would ever get shafted by them - Delisted Brock McLean claims he was misled by Carlton