Stiff Arm

26 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Those that want to trade Gus have no idea about what makes a collection of talented individuals a great team.

If wants to stay and play his role as well as he has this year - he will be a Demon for a while yet.

And his parents live in Melbourne and house 3 young Demons so those with words to Tyne effect he will go back for family are just spewing out words.

No one wants to trade Gus. Nevertheless we can put up some suggestions without being shut down, right?

He is very close with Andrew at Freo and has extended family in WA. Doesn't mean he will go to WA because of that, just that it could be an influence. 

I'm yet to read those shutting down this discussion put up valid hypothetical alternatives.

Having said that, we have much bigger fish to fry today 

Go Dees!

On that we can all agree

Cerra would only be behind Clarry, Trac and Max in our midfield/centreline  and he's 21. His best is yet to come. That's a massive plus.

1 minute ago, A F said:

My mind's not closed, you're just writing drivel. 

It's extremely clear that Gus is integral to the fabric of our core. If we were stupid, we'd trade him and risk undermining the culture and togetherness we've worked so hard to create, but we're not.

Ok AF, so if Cerra were to nominate us and Freo sussed out Gus we'd say 'thanks but no thanks', not available because it will compromise our "togetherness"??? Hey Freo, how about a crap 2nd rounder and a bunch of fringe players? ...Rhetorical comment, of course 

I doubt he will be traded, but stranger things have happened during trade week. IMO Cerra is a good step up from Gus and would definitely improve us.

7 minutes ago, A F said:

We won't be trading Gus.

The hardest thing to open is a closed mind.

Maybe he won't be traded, however only a handful are untradable. Gus is not on that list.

Gus has a bro at Freo and family in WA.

Answer this:

If, if Cerra nominated us and a contract amount was agreed upon by MFC, what would we be prepared to give up?

Is he a better option on the wing than Gus? Would our current 2nd (Brisbane?) and future 1st get it done? Can't see Weid wanting to head west

58 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Cerra is the type of player we should be targeting. But we have no real trade bait. I’d offer up Brayshaw, but that wouldn’t nearly be enough. Jackson or Rivers would be off the table. Not sure we have any real possibilities aside from Gus, and possibly Weid.

Gus + our 2022 1st rounder???

Edit. That would be Gus and pick around 18. What did we pay for Lever? Did it end up being a pick 10 and 18?

Average game. Cats look spent, Port don't look great either. Hopefully cats go in straight sets. I reckon we can handle Port. Cover Aliir, Wines and a couple of others and they are rank 

Daniel Rich is the one that really worries me. His distribution off half back has been incredible this year. Will Viney go to him? 

2 minutes ago, binman said:

100% agree about incentives being more effective.

And I'm not suggesting we should, or even could, go down the legal route.

But we are certainly about to head into very murky areas in terms of Vax v non Vax - work place mandates are the obvious ones. But there is a million other less obvious ones.

On changing young people's minds. And some oldies like me, if they were clever they would pumping up things like the outdoor music festival summer circuit.

I go to golden plains every (non covid) year. Not much chance of social distancing there. Those sort of events will surely be double Vax only. 

So they should be telling you gunston, if you want to go to merideth, splendour, falls, rainbow serpent etc etc, get bloody vaxed.

And maybe even offer a discount to tickets to such events. Or a ticket guarantee. 

 

Or dare I say it.... double vaxxed to get into an AFL venue!

I've had 2 x AZ so I'm all for it, once the vax has been made available to all.

We could have a 'Demonland Double Vax' section in the stands! Or maybe not... 🤔

4 minutes ago, binman said:

All good points.

However there a couple of interesting considerations with two of your examples.

Whilst we don't restrict health care for those who fail to wear a seatbelt, or whose BAC is over .05  an nor should we - we do apply very serious penalties.

Both are illegal, so whilst you can choose not to wear  seatbelt or drive when over .05, you will be charged with an offence and penalized if caught doing so. 

And in the event of driving over.05 there are a range of other possible non direct penalties.

If you crash your car when over the limit your insurance will not cover you, limiting your health treatment options and  exposing you to some pretty serious financial ram(pardon the pun)ifications. 

And if you hurt or kill someone whilst driving over the limit you will be charged with serious criminals offences. 

Could there be similar non direct ramifications for someone who got hospitalized because they chose not to get vaccinated? For example their employer might decide they are not going to give them sick leave.

Hey binman, 

Alternative list of legal examples in the next post I put up.

I just think that incentivising people to get the jab works better that denying them basic societal rights, such as public health care. Those who could be swayed may not think about requiring hospital treatment, especially if they are in 16-29 age bracket. But restrict their work (as opposed to leave entitlements), deny access to the pub and dangle a big mac in front of them... could change a lot of young people's minds!

Bloody hope so!

22 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

good luck. they can't even get many critical healthcare workers vaxxed. ffs

True, daisycutter.

But the 'no vax, no trade work' policy in Western Sydney has worked to get more tradies vaxed. Soon there will be a bunch of aged care workers pooing their pants and joining the queue before the deadline.

A lot of western countries are plateauing out at around 60%, which isn't good enough.

Without knowing the stats, I reckon there would be a further 20-30% who are fence sitters or can't be bothered because 'covid wont affect me'. Give them an incentive beyond their health and it will change them.

I can't work without it, can't go to a concert or the footy, can't go to the pub/supermarket/place of worship/hairdresser/cafe. Plus if I get a shot I get a free big mac, or ticket in the lotto, or 3 paid hours off work!

Then there are the 5% hard core anti vaxxers. Maybe they should start their own independent country 🤔 😎

2 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

There is indeed a very valid debate to be had around the morality of these sorts of decisions.

I will say, though, that for at least some of these examples you've cited, those actions are either criminal or at least capable of being punished by fines (e.g. not wearing a seatbelt or having a BAC over .05).

Very true, titan. 

The list of legal risky behaviour could go on for a long time, though. Not apples with apples re covid vax obviously, but still worthy of public medical care:

- climbing ladders aged above 50, big on the list of trauma presentation to hospitals. I know a GP who jokes that it should be illegal for men of this age to own ladders

- riding a push bike down a busy road

- rock fishing, 192 Oz deaths since 2004.

The Darwinian Awards are a classic for this.

It's human nature to take risks and sometimes make very bad choices. I know I've made a few dumb ones in my life (thanks tequila...)

IMO denying access to activities similar to Canada would work to get us to 80+%. Plus some financial incentives in one form or another, eg free maccas meal. Perhaps its compulsory in order to attend a workplace. 

Unfortunately, a lot of unvaxxed fence sitters need a reason beyond their health to get it done

Ross Lyon was asked about his relationship with Cerra on FC last night. Played a straight bat, not a lot of confirmation, which gave me a glimmer of hope that the Blues led by Lyon might be a disincentive to Cerra.

Would be hard for us to land Cerra, but if he were to nominate MFC we'd surely find a way

Seriously good footballer, would only be behind Clarry and Trac in our midfield order, and still so young

Here 'tis!

3 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

The harsh b@stard in me says, "Good idea". But, I accept your general point. 

 La Dee, don't for a minute think I'm not as angry as the next person about anti vaxxers. Unfortunately humans have a right to be stupid

16 minutes ago, durango said:

At this stage of the season the MFC has bigger fish to fry before they turn their attention to recuiting players from other clubs.

The recruiter would never mention player they wish to recruit because it may distract the playing group from the job at hand.

You do realise that a recruiters job is to spend the whole year dealing with other recruiters, players and managers to suss out potential trades? They won't pause simply because we made the finals, quite the opposite. We are a destination club and Freo are on holidays. 

I say go hard, keep it quiet, as you say, and let's see if Cerra really wants success.

16 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'd also like the pro-unvaccinated to be excluded from the everyday event called the public health system for any Covid-related illness, too.

 

People make stupid choices on an all too regular basis, doesn’t mean we exclude them from accessing public health care (which their taxes also contribute towards).

Should we also restrict health care for those who fail to wear a seatbelt, or whose BAC is over .05, or swim outside the flags at the beach? Or, god forbid, play contact sports such as football? Of course I'm being a bit facetious with that one 

Who decides where we draw the line? Happy-clappy ScoMo? No thanks.

Exclusions from day-to-day activities should be enough of a penalty. And hopefully enough of an incentive to get the jab. 

Current 2nd rounder (is that tied to Hawks?) plus future 1st? Not enough?

Player plus future 1st? Who and what gets it done?

37 minutes ago, drdrake said:

Was Cerra coached by Ross Lyon?

Have no idea why a young player with so much potential would commit to a club that is an absolute basket case.  

Maybe Carlton are the only team that have the right pick/s for Freo and can 'find' the cap space to pay him???

Freo reportedly offered him 2 or 4 year deal on very good coin, so I don't think the Blues' offer is necessarily much different.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-the-frontrunners-as-cerra-tells-dockers-he-wants-to-move-home-20210824-p58lhh.html

This article indicates we could be another possible home for him. Would have to give up something good to get something good. 

Cerra is a seriously good player, and still young. He would be a brilliant addtion to our midfield mix 

3 hours ago, Mickey said:

Pendles has said he could step away from Collingwood if another club offered him a contract that included a move in to coaching.

Would he get a game with us, and would he want to come and try to win another flag?

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2021-scott-pendlebury-contract-playercoach-leaving-collingwood-teams-interested-fremantle-gold-coast-news/news-story/831639030e67d900786e1ab247f459d5

Pendles will turn 34 in first week of January. I question if there's even one season left in the tank. He's one calf strain away from the knackery.

I like the look of Karl Amon on a wing for us. Chain him to Langers and build his tank over the preseason. A classy left footer.

Tackles inside 50 

Melb: 20, Geelong: 6

Excellent pressure.

Any injuries?

I think no bye next week suits us. We are super fit and hitting good form

3 votes: C Oliver

Nothing is surer.

Lol! Chris Scott in presser saying they were disappointed because they controlled the game but didn't win. They lost 3 out of 4 quarters FFS!