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Right ok, we’re gonna be like this. I can only infer from this that you don’t know what the words you use actually mean and can’t admit it, or even worse, you don’t want to substantiate what it is about him you find to be extremist to you, as it belies personal prejudice or ignorance. If you did have a good reason for calling him an extremist then you would have answered it the first/second/third time I directly asked, or you could just answer it now and prove me wrong? If not, it’s either childish behaviour or cowardly behaviour. Maybe both. You called an ex-player of this club an extremist in the context of this thread which it has been established as fact that he was racially vilified. I’d expect that a Melbourne supporter would be keen to explain what they mean when they potentially character assassinate a bloke and an ex-player, especially considering I answered how he’s NOT an extremist to your question the first time you asked it, but you refused 3 times to justify your claim that he’s an extremist and instead tried to deflect. That’s incredibly weak behaviour.

As far as I know, an extremist is someone that holds beliefs on a kind of ‘fundamentalist’ level and is strictly opposed to evidence/opinions that goes against their beliefs. The views are way outside the social and moral norms of a society. A radical is someone that wants to create extreme changes to society. One could be a ‘radical extremist’ for example. Someone that holds extreme views and wants to enact extreme change to society. Use of the word Extremist though, has solely negative connotations. Radical is more neutral in and of itself for the most part. Their usage can be interchangeable depending on someone’s underlying moral/political framework too: If you agree with the ideas of an extremist then you might call them a radical and vice versa if you disagree. So depending on a persons own beliefs, who and which positions they choose to call extremist can be reflective of inner extreme positions of their own. Abolishing slavery in the US at the time was probably seen as radical or extreme depending on who you asked… There are going to be grey areas in all of this as the context of what is radical and extreme will change throughout history etc. and again, it depends on your own moral/political positions as to what is extreme or radical. So it’s complicated. Hope that helps?

This is getting really boring. For the third time: How is Lumumba an extremist?

Because he hasn’t expressed opinions or beliefs that align with extremist ideologies nor has he demonstrated in his actions anything that could lead me to believe he is an extremist. But of course being asked to prove a negative is a logical fallacy as you know. So how is Lumumba an extremist?

How is Lumumba an extremist?

All fair points, just like to see what people think 😁 It’s all pointless in the end… as long as we win come September.

I know, I’m as shocked as you are. Watching the team this year, I think Petty/May is much harder to replace than Lever. I based my ranking on ability to be replaced… so I’m saying that, I think the combination of May and Petty are more important than any other in our backline. Obviously it’s a controversial position and I could be wildly wrong, but from what I’ve seen this year, I’d rather a May/Petty/Tomlinson than a May/Lever/Tomlinson backline.

Any top 4 team playing North twice this year is ludicrous.

Ahhhh interesting, we have Lever and Petty in opposite groups as well as Brayshaw in the secondary group and Jackson the bottom group.

We’ll win both by 30 points and then demonlanders will complain that we didn’t play well because we didn’t beat them by 900 points.

That’s fair, I think my thoughts about Brayshaw is that, Salem can’t be the kind of kamikaze type defender that puts himself in dangerous places and nor does grunt work like a mid-fielder. I don’t think there’s a replacement for that on our list. And Tomlinson could replace Petty… but I would rather see Tomlinson replace Lever than Petty IMO. Lever is an amazing player obviously, but it seems like Petty is a bigger loss for the team than Lever. All only an opinion though obviously, I just currently rate Petty as being irreplaceable, more so than Lever.

I’m all about pedantry unless it’s used against me, haha Sorry Gontee.

Interested to see where demonlanders see who ranks where on our list. I’ve divided up the team 7-8-7 of our best possible starting 22. Each group is in no particular order, but the middle and bottom groups are the players I think can be replaced. Here’s mine: TOP 7 Gawn Petracca Oliver May Petty Brayshaw Fritsch MIDDLE 8 Spargo Jackson ANB Salem Bowie Viney Langdon BBB Bottom 7 Lever Sparrow Mcdonald Jordan Harmes Pickett Rivers Players that miss out: Pickett I think can be covered by Bedford hence why he’s in the bottom 7. Lever (I reckon Petty has become are more important) player so could be more easily replaced by Tomlinson. Hunt doesn’t make the list as Salem would be the replacement for me when he’s fit and goes into my middle 8. Hunt is a bottom 7 player. Weid can replace McDonald and BBB, hence why BBB isn’t in the top 7. Dunstan could replace Viney or Jordan IMO.

Someone else has said this on demonland… but it would be criminal if this team doesn’t win 2-3 flags minimum. We’re unreal!

Watching the replay - Bucks points out that we are playing elite football. When we were 41 points up in the 1st, Saints pressure rating was at 200. Every single one of our disposals was made under pressure effectively and we were still able to dominate. That is unbelievable.

I think he came across as very arrogant as a coach, but now what I can see is that he is an INTENSE person when he’s representing a team in any form. He played like a soldier and as a coach, had the mentality that the world was against him, which I think he created in a way to give him the feeling he was in a battle. The guy gets motivation from a fight I think. As a neutral commentator though, he comes across a relaxed guy that thinks about the game a lot. My perception of his arrogance was misplaced.

I enjoy listening to Bucks a lot. I reckon he’s got a lot of insights into the game and he seems to see it pretty clearly.

Watching the Goodwin footage of the Granny and seeing how calm he was when the doggies had full momentum knowing full well we would swing momentum back… I don’t get nervous when teams start kicking a few goals together. Wasn’t even worried in that 3rd term, I knew we would get momentum back and hold them off. It’s just a part of the game knowing that teams will be able to come back at us for a while, not be able to maintain their pressure and attack long enough, then we get a lead and just defend it for the rest of the game.

Yeah exactly. There’s nothing spectacular about him that draws attention to himself, but what he does for the team is damaging and creates problems if he’s allowed to do what he wants. Also…. One of my favourite things in footy is learning about which players other clubs rate as having to concentrate on… Tom Mitchell is a prime example of the opposite, gets a lot of glory for gaining possessions but doesn’t do much damage.

Only really seen him play a bit, not paid much attention to the kind of player he is, if he isn’t guaranteed a starting 22 spot, would he want to come to the club? If we got him, who would he replace in the best 22?

Man I REALLY want Bedford to be a part of the team. He offers glimpses that he could become a gun player if he’s able to continually get games at AFL level. I feel like he’s one of those guys that needs to play at AFL level to gain confidence and grow into the player he could be. Don’t really have any other reason than a ‘feeling’ about him. I don’t know if this carries across, but there’s some cricketers that are good at state level without dominating, then when they get into international teams and play at that level for a while, they turn into absolute guns and do dominate. This is Bedford I reckon. Saying that though, if I look at our Premiership lineup… I don’t know who he replaces and is able to keep out long enough form him to string games together.

Totally agree about ANB. Other club supporters don’t rate him at all (which I actually like) but he’s definitely in the ‘inner club superstars’ group like Spargo and Kozzie (although Kozzie still gets a lot of fan fare obviously) for what they do for the team. Was a very noticeable difference without ANB in the team.

Wow…. just looked him up, kicked 660 goals from a total of 265 games over 3 clubs… as a ruckman Must have been some player.

Mmmm playing like trash is extremely harsh. I’d watch West Coast right now if you really wanna see trash. We’ll hit our straps about 6/7/8 rounds out from finals and roll in with a head of steam. Great teams follow this formula and have been for as long as I’ve watched footy. No point being in form at the wrong time of year.

And even though we are playing nowhere near our best at the moment and have lots of room to improve, we are still winning… Would you like to be in form now? Or heading into final?