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13 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

I actually think Harmes would be a good option for a club like West Coast that has bottomed out and needs a few players with mature bodies and good training attitudes around to help establish culture.

I'm sure his mate Jayden would put in a good word for him.

Ok then, Harmes, pick 5,13 and future first for Harley Reid.  

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Dogs picks are 10, 17 and and future first rounder adds up to 3,815 points.

North's picks of 14, 19, two futures first picks equal 3,969 points

This would certainly give North picks picks 2,3 and 4. I'm just spitballing but it's a pretty hefty draft hand.

Both teams now have a great hand. Dogs pick 10 might still give them the upper hand though. They could split it for a late first round and future first or a slightly better first round this year and a future 2nd. 
North May also want to use those picks to trade for players not draft talent. 
Watson’s recent form hasn’t been as good as the champs and the dogs may not be as willing to over pay. 

If Tracs goal stood against the Blues he be a cert for 3 votes. 

I wonder how keen North are on him and would he fit well into their midfield? 
Would he be a better fit than Mckercher? 
Mckercher might offer more on the outside but they have Sheezel coming through for that.

Given he’s likely to be available our pick 5/6 wonder if we might target their pick 3.

Pick 5/6 and 24 for pick 3, which is what we originally gave for Jackson. 

I had hoped at the start of this season that we could manage both of them well enough to give us the equivalent of one fit forward. Unfortunately neither of their bodies held up and it proved to be very costly for us. 
If we go into next season needing to get a good return of games out of them then our season is already starting to look like them- cooked. 
At best I think Tmac might be able to come in and play 5/6 games when we are stuck. 
Considering Grundy will be gone and Pig has retired we will have cap space and unless we are bringing in a gun that we haven’t heard about perhaps we are happy just to let them see out the last year of their contracts. No need to push them out the door if we are not spending the money on somebody else. Both have been great servants to the club. 

He’s the one I’m hoping we go for. May replacement. Can hopefully have an impact next season. Could be potential swing man next year if Petty goes down injured again. Next year is meant to have few KPP so a good time to pick up one. 
In a perfect world we’d also get pick 4 and take Mckercher, Watson or Duursma but if we cant get pick 4 then O’Sullivan  and Wilson or Windsor would be nice. 

I think this makes real sense for us. Won’t play most weeks but worthy of decent contract as cover for Max and maybe ruck coach afterwards. We might have to guarantee him a certain number of games but given Maxxys age that shouldn’t be too much of a problem. 
Great number 2 while we bring Verrall along. Him learning from Max, Goldy and Grundy can only be a good thing. 
 

Also allows us to cash in on Grundy and spend the profits elsewhere.  

Any of our draft watchers seen much of Will Dawson? I only saw him play to games in defence for Vic country and was impressed. Tall, big body can intercept. I’m just wondering if we don’t manage to get O’Sullivan who else we could target as a KPD. 
The 15-40 range seems very hard to predict this year. You would have to be confident that JT could find a gem in that range. I’m hoping we hold onto our early second round pick. 

3 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Don’t reckon he’d actually know.

Given he’s probably getting his info from the people making the decision I’d be surprised if he’s wrong. 

3 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

That is massive over compensation for a team with possibly the best young midfield in the league already. They just need time for their kids to come on. If that compo is accurate, it basically ruins the first round of this this years draft and I'd be hoping we trade out into future if possible, as our picks after 5 (which becomes 7) become weak. 

It’s a ridiculous amount to be given them. They can now get Harley Reid and still manage to have 2 top 10 picks this year if they trade well. 
Picks 2 & 14 for pick 1. Still leaves them with pick 3, 11 and two future firsts. Crazy. Can you imagine they could pick up Reid, Duursma and O’Sullivan from this draft. 
 

With your point about trading out of this years draft and into next years- they( gettable)did have a quick run down of the top draft prospects for next year. 90% were midfielders. I’ve been very keen on us trading out our future first and getting pick 4. But given the capital other have to throw at that pick will push the cost up and given how compromised the pointing end of this draft has become we might be better to hold onto our future first.  
 

Cal all but confirmed on Gettable that North will get pick 3 as compo,  pick 11 and future end of first pick as a hand out. 
 

Won’t get access to Sanders

On 9/19/2023 at 10:29 PM, 2021 said:

I missed this, in an article by Cal Twomey, 4 days ago:

" Sanders, who has an Indigenous background, is yet to be added to the AFL's Next Generation Academy list. Under NGA rules, clubs can't match bids on prospects inside the first 40 picks of the draft, but there has been a view that the Roos could be given access to match a bid at any point for Sanders as part of their assistance package.

However, with just over a week to go before the AFL Commission meets, there is a growing feel among rivals that Sanders, a certain top-10 pick, will more likely be in the open pool. "Hopefully this happens, as it would be good news for us, as he may end up being the one we draft with our first pick.

North are really going to shape this draft eh. If the above does happen they would be in the box seat for the Suns pick 4. Package up 10&14. Giving them 2,3&4

Alternatively they could split 3 with us and still get Sanders. You would think they would be keen to bring in some established player rather than 3/4 first round picks. 

With regards to a trade with Sydney. A future second and pick 41 is prob about right and would probably give us the upper hand in getting pick 4 from the Suns. 

9 hours ago, SthSea22 said:

Is it possible Grundy and the FC came to a mutual agreement not to play once it was clear he was going to play elsewhere next season?

Risk of injury etc. 

I’m thinking along the same lines. Perhaps there was a fallout when he met Port publicly in the run up to finals. Perhaps him have so many close friends at Collingwood left him a bit in the outer both pre and post Pies game. 

All the best JJ. Agree with others that it was a shame he didn’t get a run in 2021 GF.  Probably a wise move for him to try and get more regular game time elsewhere. 
Hopefully a few clubs being in for him will push up the value of his contract and be beneficial to both him and the club. 

4 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

if north get pick 2 for being ordinary, pick 3 for mckay signing a mega-deal elsewhere, sanders as an nga for free AND a mid first round pick for being ordinary...it would be one of the greatest daylight robberies of all time

Not to mention they already received two early second rounders from this draft last year. 

8 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

An interesting approach you've taken. Players don't change draft positions. What happens is Club picks are pushed back firstly as free agency compensation is inserted, and then father/son & academy players are bid on and bids matched. So if as expected compensation for Ben Mackay comes in at 3 all picks after that are pushed back one position. Assuming Jed Walter comes in at 2 then our Pick 5 becomes Pick 6 pre-draft and slides back one further spot to Pick 7 on Draft Night.

I’m aware of the above SD. Perhaps I should have maybe worded it differently. The point I was making is that with North possible getting pick 3 and possible 3 academy players before O’Sullivan. Our pick is pretty close to where he’s rated. 
The poster I was replying to wondered if we may have been taking him too early. 

11 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Thanks... He looks like going mid to late first round. Are we prepared to spend that much I wonder

O'Sullivan is rated number 10 in most draft orders that I have seen. He’s also the second best KPD prospect in the draft. Assume Walters, Reid and Sanders go to 10 to their academy clubs that bring O’Sullivan into 7 so not much of a reach for us. GWS and Cats could pounce if we let him slip past our pick. 

Only way I can see is getting pick 11 as part of the Grundy deal is if it’s a swap with pick 13.  Pick 30 & 11 for Grundy and 13. 
Would be about right too. But pick 22 is a fair trade as well. 

Giants should be out of sight. They will still get up but making it harder than it should be. Hopefully they ice it quickly at the start of this quarter and are fresh to face the filth. 

Great thread @layzie Demonland is an amazing resource and platform to engage with some great people and learn so much about the club and the game in general. I’m addicted. 

People blaming player selection and tactics are off their heads. I will admit that I’m also guilty of the same thing at times 
But we did more than enough to win in all aspects of the game tonight apart from goal kicking. We were on top and should have kicked enough goals to win by 4/5 goals. 
3 posters in the last q. Bad kicking is bad footy they say. 
Such a shame to have lost the opportunity of another flag This team has under achieved ☹️

41 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Just seen this.

I haven't seen him live but certainly watching the championships he stood out for me for his outside run and ability to hit up with his kicking skills.

He reminds me of the Isaac Smith just the way that he goes on his strides along the wing. He really is a 50-60m player. His work rate really is elite though, very similar to Langdon in thr way he'll just work up and down the wing.

Averaging 20 disposals per game in the Coates leagues and there is now talk he's a genuine top 15 pick. So he'll certainly be in the range for our pick.

The way I look at it is that Hunter will be 29 next year and we need to start to look into life after him. 

Windsor would be the perfect replacement imo.

Cheers for that. If we don’t trade up with our second pick he might appeal to us. I assume you’d have Darcy Wilson ahead of him but he’s unlikely to be on the board unless we trade up. 

I hope club waits till after the game and then puts out a statement and that Goody and all of the players and staff just say no comment when asked about the decision. 

Why would they appeal they already got the result they wanted. Collingwood players doesn’t get rubbed out and helps them match towards a GF and for extra cherry on top the findings hold Gus partly reasonable in case there’s any legal action taken down the track. Couldn’t  make this [censored] up.