Colm

1 hour ago, SthSea22 said:

Depends how much we rate Adams tbh 

Giving we are being linked heavily with Leake and Windsor now when there will be key defenders available at both of our picks Im assuming we must rate Adam’s very highly. 

Starting to feel like a bit of a JT special isn’t it. Wasn’t even in Cals top 20 a few months ago. The more noise there is about us picking him at 6 the more it reminds me of the noise about Jackson coming up to his draft. 
If we were to pick him ahead of Curtain or Sanders it would show how highly we rate him. 
Have to admit I didn’t really notice him in the few Allies games I watched as I was focused on other players. 

Be interested to hear people’s thoughts on what position he would start off in should we pick him. 

Just going off his highlights he plays very like Fritter up forward.Can take a mark and good shot for goal. Is there room for two of those type in our forward line?
Seemed to struggle to make his tackles stick a few times so might need work on that to play half back at AFL level. 

Pickett never went public with his want to return “home”. Nor did Ports list manager. The deal offered to Pickett never became public knowledge neither did what Port offered. 
Kossie didn’t go playing golf and giving interviews with Ports players during trade week. 
Cornes is a tool but the two situations are very different. 
 

Great work @spirit of norm smith

I have been wondering if Hawks will pick Curtain with their f/s pick McCabe also being a key defender( haven’t seen him). Taking Ginnivan might mean they are less likely to take Watson I guess. 
 

If we do go for two mids with our two top picks as you have above I hope that either Dawson or Zakostelsky slides to 42 or we move up to get them. 

1 hour ago, demoncat said:

Curious what people think the value of Geelong’s pick 8 would be?

Cal Twomey has stated that we - as well as Adelaide - are interested

With Geelong seemingly interested in taking multiple picks to the draft, would 11, 42 and perhaps a future second or third round pick secure it? Or is that overs? 

Could be the missing piece of a play for pick 1 or another strong move up the draft for us

In a way we already set the price for Cats pick 8 with the deal we did to move up 3 spots from 14 to 11. 
 

Cats will want two first round picks and I’d be surprised if they would accept any deal that didn’t include a pick in the first 11. 
They will be looking for Adelaide’s 10 & 20. If we were to get their pick 8 I think we will have to offer pick 11 & F1. But we may need to do a deal with north for one of their later teen picks for our F1 first. 
Cal says they want to take 5 picks to the draft. 

I guess it will all come down to whether or not Curtain will be available at 6. North will be trying to make it known that they are interested in him whether they are or not. 
If our offer does get it done it’s a lot to pay for one player but it’s probably worth remembering that we put two of those picks(6&11)on the table for Humphrey last year. Along with the pick we used on Jefferson although I believe we were looking for a future second coming back. 
Obviously we didn’t think  the two future picks would have been 6 & 11 but if all the hype is true about Reid he will be in a different class to Humphrey. 
 

He also said we are still looking to move up with 6 & 11 and that ourselves and Adelaide were interested in Cats pick 8. 
Also said that Windsor had move up some club boards and might go inside top 10 now. 

17 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

Cal Twomey reporting on the latest GETTABLE ep that Melbourne offered 6,11,42 and F1 during trade week!!!!!

I thought from what he said that the above offer was still on the table but WC had said no to it. We have nothing more to give. 
North have also offered pick 2 and two late teen picks but want WC pick 23 as part of the deal. WC said no to this offer as well. 

 

54 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Wouldn’t say they are losing interest I’d think they expect West Coast to still do some sort of deal with North.  
Hard to say who’s the better player at this stage , haven’t seen O’Sullivan live. I’ve seen a lot of Curtin live playing all 3 lines

You rate Curtain very highly though Pennant? I watched his highlights last night and highlights of some of the WA games. Looks very mobile, good kick and loves a tackle. 
I think him being available at 6 is our best possible scenario at this stage for a number of reasons- he would be best available and fit our needs but also he would give us much more options of trading up or out.

Up for pick one or 3, or Cal mentioned last week that WC would probably  put their future first on the table for him if we wanted to trade out. 

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yep, Dees both have interest in O'Sullivan and Wilson.

Geelong, GWS and Adelaide especially have significant interest in 'Sully'

I'm sure we have a range players in mind for pick 11 but that's all I know from up this regional way.

I’d be delighted if we got both. Think key defender is our biggest need so Curtain or O'Sullivan and mid is our second biggest need. Only saw Wilson play couple of games but was very impressed. Perfect for the modern game and our system. 
 

I can see both being already gone by our second pick though. 

37 minutes ago, Nascent said:

"The Kangaroos could be the busiest, with North expected to use five or six selections, while the Cats, Saints and Eagles are all likely to use four or five picks."

"The ability to trade selections will impact some plans, but Brisbane, Melbourne and Adelaide are all likely to decide between having two and three draft choices."

 

 

Cats pick 8 will probably need to be traded out if they are hoping to pick 4/5 picks. If we can’t move up from 6 wonder will we try to improve from 11 to 8. 

8 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Petty is a contracted demon and Curtin is an interstate player from WA and just as likely to go home as Sanders or Petty?

We've also got pick 11 and I dare say we can get a decent KPD there, but less likely to get the elite mid.

I think the go home factor for Tassie lads will be greater than any other state. There will be enormous pressure on them to do so. Also great financial rewards and the AFL will create a clear pathway for them to do so. 
I listened to a couple of interviews Sanders has given. He comes across very well and a great professional. He’s father is massively involved in grass roots footy here in TAS. 
I think his flight risk is greater than other players for these reasons. 
Now we may get handsomely compensated if he does choose to go home but that’s not clear yet either. 

13 minutes ago, rpfc said:

The ‘afl trading world’ thankfully does not define value of trades through the points system. It is a mechanism to allocate F/S and academy players and applying it any broader than that is asinine.

 

Yes I’m aware of that rpfc, and it all depends on how strongly JT rates the players available at 6 & 11 as oppose to who he would pick at 3. 
It’s also very rarely that you can move up the draft board without paying overs in terms of points. 
I was responding to a poster who asked what world a deal giving 6&11 for 3&23. 
To me that seems a reasonable trade. Don’t know if I’d do it and it depends on how we rate whoever at 3 but it’s hardly  absurd. 

1 hour ago, bandicoot said:

Thankfully none of the people on this forum are involved in the trade negotiations.

in which world do you think 3 and 23 is a good exchange for 6 and 11.? Absurd 

In the AFL trading world that deal is about right. Points are 3080 and 3049. Given you normally have to pay overs to move up, we paid almost 1000 points over to move up 3 spots form 14-11. 
 

PM Bangers has a new phantom up on BigFooty. Has us taking Curtain and DeMattia at our current picks. 

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

There's a significant drop in talent after the first top 5 picks imo. That's not even counting Jed Walter or Ethan Reed.

 

So who are you leaving out of the group, Watson or Sanders? I’m assuming Watson who I hope either the Hawks or Dogs pick before us. 

2 minutes ago, Nascent said:

I think this is where my opinion currently sits aswell.

At this stage it seems to be out of Curtin/Sanders/Watson for who is available at pick 7. Throw in a smokey in Caddy from outside that range who has grown to 193cm and is starting to look more key position height.

I would be happy with a Curtin/Sanders/Watson pick, whichever way that falls for pick 6 (7). Can't really go wrong within the first 7 in my view.

For 11, if we go a mid type at 6 I wouldn't be surprised if we try to manoeuvre up for O'Sullivan. 11 and future first for Geelongs pick 8 maybe?

If we go with Curtin at our first pick, I'd be very happy with one of Leake/Windsor.

 

Agree with all of that but think O'Sullivan might be another one we consider with our first and I’d be happy to add Wilson to the list of possible players with our second. 
 

Agree it would take our future first to get Cats pick 8. It’s a lot to upgrade Leake, Windsor or Wilson to a Sanders or O'Sullivan. 

7 minutes ago, demoncat said:

I’m personally happy to go all chips in on pick 1 by offering 6, 11 and F1 although I’m doubtful that would get it done

But I wouldn’t be keen on giving up 6 and 11 for anything less such as North’s pick 3 and a later first rounder 

To me, it seems like Reid is the clear number 1 pick and then there is a group of 6 or so players in the next bracket (Walters, Duursma, McKercher, Watson, Curtin, Sanders) and then another group before a more significant drop off (Caddy, O’Sullivan, Read, Windsor, Leake, Rodgers and potentially Wilson)

I’d happily take one of each group with 6 and 11 and don’t think it’s worth over paying to move up slightly in either - particularly as we already moved from 14 to 11 to get into the second tier

 

I kind of agree with you with the two tiers but feel there’s probably an area in the middle of both of them. I don’t think Caddy or O'Sullivan will be on the board at pick 11 so it creates the best available  versus needs debate. 
I think in a perfect world we get a top midfielder and key defender. The dogs are meant to be interested in both Sanders and Watson. If they go with Sanders do we pick Watson or O'Sullivan? There'll be no key defender available at our second pick. 

Cal’s October rankings are out. For some reason( my stupidity probably) I can’t attach the link. 
He has Windsor and Leake rising up the board and Wilson slipping a bit. 

10 hours ago, No10 said:

Wasn’t my suggestion.

However, I think it highly likely this will happen, but with p17 or 18 also included from North.

But the question is if McKercher or Duursma are worth it?

I rate Mckercher very highly and think he would be a great pick for us. My concern is if we trade up to get him we are paying massive overs that we won’t get back if he chooses to join the Tassie team. We have already paid overs to get pick 11 and would be doing the same to get to pick 3. 
I assume the AFL will give the Tassie team access to one out of contract player from Tassie at each team(same thing applied to Suns and GWS) and that the compensation will be whatever they decide is market value. 

4 minutes ago, CHF said:

I will judge him by the way he plays and approaches next season. I will judge him on the fact he is a professional sportsman and I expect him to work and behave as a professional sportsman. 

 

He’s created a bit of a tricky situation for himself I think.  I agree that it’s how he responds that matters but he’s coming off a foot injury and will probably be in the rehab group for most of preseason. I’d assume after what has happened over the past few weeks he would have some bridges to build and a super impression pre season where he gives 100% all the time would go along way to achieving this. His injury prevents this. 
 

Also it will be harder to be in great form at the start of the season with an interrupted pre season.  His form early this season down back wasn’t great. Similar form will raise questions if he’s fully committed or already checked out. 
 

Hopefully he's foot injury doesn’t stop him being able to be ready to go round one and we can get him resigned. 

15 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Drafting for position is a very bad strategy; especially considering they are kids. Our flag was won with 3 traded in Key Position players; only TMac being a recruit from long ago.
Also Petty has a contract. 

A “very bad strategy” drafting quality players that fill a need and will be available at our picks makes total sense. I could maybe agree with you if we were reaching or picking project players but the three keys (Curtain, OSullivan and Caddy) that are likely to be available at our picks are rated around our  picks and by all accounts ready to play next year. 
Hardly a very bad strategy. 

With Smith about to be banned and Petty wanting out I think we can forget about pick 1 and Harley Reid. We already had a need for positions. Now even more so. 

30 minutes ago, binman said:

Reasonable points.

I agree petty has every right to play where he wants to play - and for whatever reason he likes.

It's a business and clubs will cut players - or not play them - when it suits them. Just look at the Billings situation. Forced out because the saints weren't gonna play him. Or ask Deakyn Smith about loyalty.

But personally I dislike he chose to use the media to make his case and put undue pressure on the club.

And choosing to play a round of golf with players from a club you are agitating to get to, regardless if they are old mates or not, BEFORE the trade period ended was very poor form.

I mean c'mon if he was gagging for a game of golf with fogerty et al he could have waited 'till this morning. 

And making sure the SA media know ahead of time and are there to report on it and do a door stop interview? Please.

If anyone thinks he and his manager didn't orchestrate that circus they are  kidding themselves.

It was particularly galling given petty does stuff all media or promotional work for the dees.

Again, his call and he can do what he wants. As i said Its a business for players, clubs and managers.

But it's not a business for fans, its a passion.

And when a player jerks around the club they should understand it will upset and hurt fans.

I would understand if he had an axe to grind and felt he was being treated unfairly. But by his own admission he doesn't and hasn't been.

Have your conversations about wanting to be traded internally and show some respect to your current employer who has given you your shot at AFL footy - not to mention strongly supported you through the zorko drama and helped you be a premiership player. 

And show some respect to dees fans who at the end of the day are the reason he is able to be paid handsomely to live out his dream.

I'd be more forgiving if he was a kid. For that reason I cut Horne Francis plenty of slack. 

But petty is a grown [censored] adult for petts sake. 

Agree with all of the above and you put it far better than I could. 
Its  not as though he didn’t have recent examples to work of. 
Both Jackson and Pickett had their heads turned while still having a year to run on their contracts. One stayed the other didn’t but both showed more respect to the club and fans by not going public and trying to force their way out. 

25 minutes ago, old55 said:

The top end trade I could foresee is:

WC give 1 get 2 + 11

North give 2 + 3 get 1 + 6

MFC give 6 + 11 get 3

But I'd prefer to keep 6 + 11

Lamb did say we are trying to move up the draft. I wonder if we might try to tempt Geelong with 11 and a future pick for pick 8 ? Allowing us to get Sanders and O'Sullivan