Lord Nev

Why is depth 'dreaded' exactly? This is how a list works. You don't have 40+ A graders, it's just not possible. Clearly with our list situation, not just this year, but with our forthcoming OOC players there's a big picture to look at. Daw isn't even on our list yet, he's just been given a chance to show some form that might grant him a rookie spot. Even if he manages a spot it's probably unlikely he'll play AFL level, but with Brown and Weid out, Jackson still a youngster, Petty coming off no preseason, our main insurance ruck gone, McDonald a gamble at best, Tomlinson not a forward, Lever and May both with recent injury history, OMac gone etc etc it makes sens to me to be looking at a mature swingman as very very cheap insurance.

You could also say, we already have Jackson, Weid, Petty and Bradtke as young developing talls, it's good to have some mature backup to balance out the list.

We've all done it a bit in this thread hey?

Incorrect. It wasn't one instantaneous and continuous stream as such. It intensified during 2014 and hit it's peak in 2015.

You took quite a long paragraph there to illustrate how much you don't understand. No one has said change the date and everything is fixed. Your straw man arguments are plain silly. 1. Telling Indigenous people they should get over it because if it was the French it may have been worse is idiotic. 2. Other invasions happening through history don't diminish the suffering felt by Indigenous Australians. 3. "Take control of their own life"....? You've managed to illustrate with that statement how much you don't understand. 4. 'How many Indigenous friends do I have?' Is that a serious comment? Does having Indigenous friends mean you understand systematic racism and the hurt of Australian society felt by them? Pretty obviously not given your ignorant comments. Members of my family, including my kids, have Indigenous ancestry. My best mate is an Indigenous artist and Reconciliation Speaker. I still have close mates from sports years where I played in predominantly Indigenous teams. I've also stayed in remote communities volunteering in arts & education programs for Indigenous kids. Does that start to paint a picture for you? Does that give me cred in your eyes now? No? See how that works. I couldn't give a stuff about you parading your "heaps" of Indigenous friends around, it has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on your abhorrent views. 5. You don't know me. We've never met. Your assumptions about me say more about you. 6. If you truly had "many Indigenous friends" I very much doubt you'd be throwing around this "victim" narrative you've chosen to throw about.

Sure Pauline.

I don't reckon anyone has ever said that Australia would never have been invaded otherwise or that invasion was an experience unique to Indigenous Australians. Neither of those things are points being raised. Eddie's "proud day" is a microcosm of white Australia's approach to racism in this country. Don't admit any wrong doing, don't say sorry, just tell everyone it's in the past and they should just get over it as where not racist anymore, are we?

You can't always just 'move on' when things have not even been dealt with properly, let alone still celebrated.

What date to the Brits celebrate that invasion day? Or the Irish their invasion? Easy to say 'move on' when it's not your invasion being celebrated.

The evidence is there over hundreds of years, you just refuse to see it.

You don't understand how his birthplace, ancestry or mental health impacts his "privilege"? Righto. He's retired from football yes, but he hasn't ceased working. I get that you don't like him, you've made that painfully obvious, what you haven't managed to explain is how that is any relevance at all to his experience of racism. Although I shouldn't expect much in the way of empathy from anyone who uses the term "virtue signallers". You've really outed yourself here and you don't even see it.

Very much agree that Eddie, and his family, should be considered in all this and unless I've missed it I haven't really seen anything to vitriolic around the traps. Disagree a little about the nature of his downfall though, that was all his own doing. He had the mic.

"Worked bloody hard to become an AFL footballer" is what I think you meant to say. Lumumba was born close to a port where his ancestors were brought as slaves. He moved across the world at age 3 and adopted a different first name so that it was easier for the kids at school. He's copped way way worse then "Chimp" at Collingwood. Maybe put in some research that isn't fed to you by Rupert, especially given it's now known there were journalists who completely made up quotes and attributed them to him in search of clicks and attention. He's also dealt with depression. Yeah. So privileged. I strongly suggest reading this article: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-05/heritier-lumumba-strength-in-african-culture-collingwood-afl/12820942

Couldn't care less if you agree or this whole idea of "narrative" you keep pushing, that's simply what it is and is why the 'others didn't get booed' logic doesn't stack up. You've just further made my point for me by bringing up Betts & O'Loughlin. Long and Goodes' scenarios are not really similar. You may want to look into the response Long got at first though, including death threats mailed to him. Doesn't seem you're really THAT up on the story mate. Plus there's the fact he was combating onfield racism and was strongly supported by the AFL. Wasn't exactly the same with Goodes hey? Winmar had a poignant moment after being racially abused for a whole day in horrendous ways. Not at all similar to Goodes who was booed more intensely after winning Australian Of The Year and having numerous public appearances totally misrepresented by the media. Let's not forget that Eddie said Goodes would have been treated better if he had 'given some warning' before doing his goal celebration; an Indigenous dance taught to him by Indigenous kids, after he (an Indigenous man) had just kicked an Indigenous ball through for a goal while wearing an Indigenous jumper in Indigenous round... Stop making excuses for others and clearly yourself.

Disagree. The 'nub of the Goodes issue' is that he didn't 'know his place' and in Australia's particular racist environment if you're a 'minority' and dare to stand up to racism, be proud of your heritage and/or challenge people's internalized or casual racism then you will be hounded until you're back in the little box where we like you.

Sound like Eddie will be stepping down. Presser shortly.

Lumumba has said that he didn't stand up for himself back in those days as he wanted to be accepted. Without further context all this does is prove further that it happened and make it even more dubious that senior figures, including coaches, continue to deny they ever knew about it. This is more sad than it is controversial, although obviously that will vary depending on which lens you choose to view it through.

So you don't believe the numerous people who have backed Lumumba's version of events but you then choose to believe one single person who wasn't even there for most of it... Confirmation bias perhaps?

Here's the 'record'...

So, are they "sheltered" or are they victims of "public scrutiny"? ?

My personal favourite is the 'youngest and least experienced' line that gets trotted out perennially.

Someone mentioned there was a family situation he needed to be there for. It obviously would be something important for him to head over there. I'd suggest the 'poor form' is criticising the young man without knowing the circumstances.

Kozzy is in SA atm isn't he? Or did he get back in time for this?