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35 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Trade it for Langdon, Hill, pick 7 take the highest skilled mid/forward available and let Freo deal with the unnecessary pressure on the new kid. 

Yes I wholeheartedly agree AW Good trading! Given our poor development record.

16 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Who else could do the tall tagging role? If TSmith is right then he'd be my first pick, or even Weid coming back and Petty doing it, but in the absence of those 2??

Collingwood don't bomb the ball long like we do, so we'll have to play the Eagles differently and not let McGovern dominate like he did that last quarter in our first encounter. 

Why do we continually Bomb the ball long?

Is it a part of our game plan?

Is just panic stations and players don't want the reSposibility of hiTting up tragets or being creative inside 50?

WHAT EVER IT IS  MR GOODWIN "IT IS NOT WORFKING" FIX IT!!

14 hours ago, Nasher said:

I actually thought the biggest mistake in that chain was that the handball existed in the first place. Oliver should have taken the first option, which was to kick the Sherrin in to the second tier in between the tall sticks. Who handballs from 40 when open and charging towards the goals?

Ahrrrrmmmmm Melbourne does!

4 minutes ago, george_on_the_outer said:

People have got to get over the idea that priority picks lead to team improvement.

A PP is 1 extra, potentially good player who with development, might reach that standard after a couple of years i.e it won't help the club next season and probably the season after, even if 1 player can make that difference.

The next thing people have to get over is that it costs other clubs to any real extent.  Pick 4 or 5 for us at the next draft?  What difference will that make to us.  It's not like pick 4 or 24.

If the AFL are serious about helping GC ( and I am absolutely convinced there is no future in an AFL side on the GC) they should give them salary cap relief to be able to attract experienced players who can fill the gaps while they develop their younger draft picks. 

It helps straight away, not in a couple of years, and like Hodge at Brisbane, surrounds these kids with immediate knowledge about how to play the game. 

George

That is entirely too sensible an idea for the Circus called the AFL

It has worked a treat at Brisbane

12 hours ago, A F said:

I'd be playing both of them and resting one forward or back. 

I like Preuss, but once the ruck contest is over he really stops playing, unlike Max or Grundy, who get involved in the next play. This is where Preuss needs to improve and much of this is about his tank and then developing game sense.

I dont think that is quite  right.He gave plenty of second and third efforts cleared his own ball a few times.

I thought he gave  a creditable performance on the day. He was in our top 5 players .

10 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

ANB must come out.  He was dreadful.  His kicking in goal was a folly - outside of the boot when a drop punt would work, round the corner kick when not needed.  Poor in general play (got in everyone’s way in contests).  He might run a long way, but he was a liability.  JKH in for him at least

YEP

I have been a long time supporter of ANB over the last few  years mainly based on his work rate.

He is now a serial misser of goals and as you say gets in the way. He collided many times with his  own players on Sunday. Bring in JKH ( Cant believe I said that) 

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

We're all different Binman so we all see things differently. 

I didn't get a lot out of the win from a personal point of view but from the clubs point of view,  a loss might have been seen as a real set back.

My guess is that despite our poor W/L record this year many supporters still have high expectations. 

But I'm not venting over the win either ... I'm more relieved that we didn't lose as it's always club first in my view.  Any win can be built on where as losing can become contagious.  As we've seen previously.

But most are agreed on our overall disposal efficiency,  poor skills,  lack of leg speed,  poor conversion rates and wastefulness. 

So it's entirely feasible to critique the teams performance and be happy to win at the same time. 

T-Mac doesn't get injured and we win easily ... again,  highlighting the value of a decent key forward.

We need to recruit another key forward.  The 2 that we have don't inspire me with great confidence.  T-Mac is more of a number 2 whilst Weideman is a no.3.  Taking the next step for both players is a stretch.  A lot of if's and but's.

Agree completely Macca.

Loved  the win, game   almost unwatchable at the ground 

People around me were laughing at the poor skills on display all game so I can be a lil negative about  that.

So who is available  to poach in he off season? I aways thought Finlayson was a chance but I believe he has resigned. Any suggestions out  there?

13 minutes ago, loges said:

He runs under the ball I reckon.

Yes he does and he does it every week

Poor judgement and reading of the flight or perhaps isn't starting in the right spots

Needs to address this urgently

10 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Player / Team Stats - Weighted Composite Score

Rnd 16, 2019  - Blues vs Demons (MCG)

# Hit outs to advantage not accounted for

Note:  Hore, Petty and T-Mac only 10%, 57% & 67% game time respectively.  Our second highest team weighted score for the season, only bettered in Rnd 11 vs the Crows (67.275).

 

Thanks Rusty for doing all this 

It gives me some idea of an evidence based assessment

I try to review  the players and teams totals with my visual assessment in comparison and it seems to  fairly accurately correlate

On 6/28/2019 at 2:01 PM, Redleg said:

Concave or convex?

Hard to tell with a banana Top or bottom

18 minutes ago, Macca said:

This has got nothing to do with Frost (in principle) ... if we were to see players giving other players a spray for making an error (an error not meant by the way) then all the players would be giving all the other players a spray all game long. 

Taking it even further does a player who makes an error deserve to cop a spray from every other player in the team (including those who have made errors themselves)

May himself made a colossal error during the game when he short passed the ball straight to the opposition in their forward 50.

So if we're being consistent Frost would have been within his rights to give May a spray for his needless turnover.

Yeah,  let's do that hey ... spray city.  Great for club culture.  Not.

Yes of course the existing culture is so good so solid so perfect<

15 minutes ago, The Stigga said:

Only game I can see us winning for the rest of the season.

 

I am not that confident Stig

I will go along as usual but Danger Danger Danger  second last here we come!

52 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Honestly, being at the ground, I thought up until half way through the third quarter, it was about the cleanest and most confident ball use that I'd seen all year.  When Steve May kicked that goal I thought that we had opened up a break on them big enough to start putting on some score board pressure and control the game.

Then a champion young players of theirs Hipwood had a purple patch to be envious of, kicked something like 5 goals straight (most of which were from pretty tough spots) and the pendulum swung completely.  I can't say who was on Hipwood for all of those goals, but early in the last, it was Petty who was getting a bath, which was quickly switched to Frosty who stemed the bleading from that point on.  I can honestly imagine if it had been Oscar, then the guy would be copping a huge whipping on this forum.  I can honestly say that though he made it back out onto the ground that I don't feel Max had anything like his usual impact after half time either, which is fair enough.

I can honestly say I can't see what good publicaly berating our players would do when one of our biggest problems at the moment is confidence.  I haven't listed to many (if any) of Goody's press conferences this year, but from what I recall of him last season, he is pretty down the line and clear with the areas he thinks we are falling down in and need to improve.  As much as I hate us loosing, and the emotions associated with that, I don't think unloading all of that and the associated critisism it would unleash would be productive.

I also honestly think that Brisbane are a pretty decient side now and that going up and beating them on their home deck would have been a huge upset for us, which at times it almost looked like we were going to pull off, but they got the better of us in the end and that's the way it goes.  I am honestly concerned about the ease at which they were able to break clear of us from their back half and through the centre if the ground and win most of the stoppages in the last 3/8ths of the game, because they made us look fairly second rate once the worm turned.  Perhaps the injured Max factor was part of that, but can't be all of it and we need to do better.  I honestly think the way we are playing at the moment, we are down one mature gun onballer and that the drop off of Jones, Bernie before him and then the loss of AVB has really hurt us in that regard.

I honestly think it was the best game that I've seen Salem play in a few matches, that from the game he played, I can see the value in recruiting Steve May.  I can also honestly say that I think Trac has elevated his game this season to the point that if we were playing better as a team he would be completely busting open games being lauded for delivering on his potential, but because we are not, he gets dragged down with the team performance.

Agree completely re Salem Almost perfect kicking and decision making A diamond in the S#*! pile

8 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

We changed a number of the coaching roles recently. As a matter of interest, how long would people expect any impact from such a change to show itself in the way we play? I would have thought at least three matches and that's if the players understand the changes and can actually execute them.

I'm not being critical, just curious. 

Reece Shaw and Teague took 1 week  to get a better result

so 1 week for the DEES changes except nothing changed the ship is still listing badly but the chairs are in order

12 hours ago, clark's kick said:

As a Brisbanite, I don't get to see many games live. What really struck me today at the game was that a major factor in Oliver and Viney's disposal issues is the gameplan itself.

They are brilliant at winning the ball, but when they win it, all the other dees players (as we and every other team knows) are in at the contest, so there's no one to go to. And this results in them either disposing of the ball to another player (also in at the contest) who is already under pressure, a random kick or handball to no one (which the lions players positioned outside the contest are generally first to), or an overly ambitious kick to a Dee downfield which doesnt work out.

Maybe I'm slow in working this out, but it really stuck out to me watching it live.

I'm kind of relieved. Their poor disposal is less of a skill issue per se than not having any options under the gameplan.

Overall, our ills are still overwhelmingly gameplan rather than personnel related. Yes, bring in some run and pressure forwards (they dont have to be stars), but I wouldnt be trading any of our best midfielders.

Been saying it all year. It is really obvious when you watch it live at the ground. Its the game plan that doesn't produce enough results for the risk the players have to take. Back to the drawing board. The other disappointing  thing is that when we are beaten soundly at the midfield contest, the coach makes no changes, just sits there and watches do the same things over and over and over again. Bizzaaro really!

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes absolutely. Anb was running around but had no impact whatsoever.  Is he a midfielder or a half/small forward.  Neither on yesterday’s effort. 

Never has been. VFL standard  with the worst disposal under pressure I have seen. You are right he runs around a lot really well.

5 hours ago, Pates said:

It’s not time for a rebuild but it’s definitely time for a harsh analysis of where certain players are at and where we thought they would be. I keep saying it in different threads but 2019 is still an opportunity to build something for 2020 and that has to start with playing things smart and potentially ruthless. 

I think the bigger issue lies with our gameplan and less the players executing it. When the plan works it’s breathtaking and exciting but when it fails it backfired on us horrifically. There surely has to be a middle ground in there that allows for patience before pulling the trigger at the right time. I feel like someone like Salem understands and does this more than anyone else. He looks for the lateral movement kick that can free someone up further afield rather than going for the long 1 on 1 to a bad position and to a guy that doesn’t actually have anyone to go to even if he wins it. 

Too often we get a mark near the center and immediately handball to a runner going past, they immediately get pressured into either a long no look bomb or get caught (which happened a lot v Lions). 

Before we start a player rebuild, we should be looking at a game style rebuild. 

I'm with you Pates!!

The coach appears to me to dumb and stubborn 

The worst possible traits combination. The Game plan isn't working. The players can't  or won't play it at an acceptable standard. The player group appears to be frustrated at being made to play it.

The team tries hard, plays on at all times, takes risks, tackles hard and runs back in defense. Come 3/4 time they are flogged and concede easy goals

Change the game plan and lets see the obvious quality of our current list on display.

Carlton likely to go past us next week.

On 6/26/2019 at 11:53 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

Yep exactly what i had to do. Issue is I would rest, do the required physio work, get cleared, then within 5 minutes of the game could feel the soreness already and that's me done for the match. I would have to start my warm up first quarter of the reserves just to make sure it's properly warmed up. 

Only was last year that i decided to take the 2nd half of the year off to completely rest and let it recover.

Cheers DD

Hope you recover fully after your 6 months rest

11 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Oh here we go with the you have no medical qualifications so you no right of an opinion.. [censored]

I battled OP for 6 years running on and off. It's only the past 12 months that i am finally pain free and able to play a full game without any groin soreness. I was too to take time off and instead tried to push through the pain barrier each only to make it worse and worse.

I dont need medical qualifications, i have had millions of advice and information over the journey from physio and docs about this one particular injury.

I have it to DD. There is nothing really you can do but rest and  do targeted muscle strengthening. I don't play footy any more but I am very active GYM RUNNING ROWING  and this is purely down to over use and as I have been told some constructive weakness in the design of my body.

I doubt it was made worse but I do know rest is the only cure. I don't think he should have played on on the day. I wish Joel a good recovery and look forward to seeing him well and playing great footy

9 hours ago, olisik said:

Have you looked at the top draftees this year? Unfortunately it’s looking very very thin up the top end for outside mids and KPFs. In fact not sure I saw any in the current phantom touted top 20s. Unless we want to burn a top 5 pick on a player who is expected to go mid 20s

 

This draft is looking a like a dream draft for Goodwin with it packed with inside mids.

Then we must trade for what we need right?

8 hours ago, CHF said:

I like that the club are willing to do this. it seems they did something similar with Weideman. If it works with Oscar so much the better. if not, well, we have lost nothing. He was a pick 53 and is only 23 yo. I would give him another 2 years minimum to develop his body and skills. When he ha the ball he is usually calm and level headed and has good delivery when in form.

Very sound commentary CHF We are losing nothing by encouraging  and facilitating a mini preseason for OM

It may pay dividends next year.I, for one, am impressed by the clubs proactive approach.

Although perhaps harder work earlier in his career may have helped. It may just be he is a body type that finds it difficult to put on muscle mass. I have played with people like that before.

52 minutes ago, Nasher said:

The label Frost-ball and its subsequent definition are just classic. It’s so true. Honestly, I’m still a coronary risk every time the ball is in his vicinity, but I love it when his complete unpredictability is working in our favour. It’s exciting to watch if nothing else.

The epitome of Kaos

11 hours ago, Stormy Dee said:

Lever: injury prone. Puny. Needs to build up body in the gym with some weights and eat some steaks. Wait for next season (maybe).

Jeffy G: recurrent shoulder dislocation. Needs a Putti-Platt or similar procedure to continue in AFL. Out for the season. May retire.

Vandenberg: foot stuffed. Will retire.

Hibberd: injury prone, sent back to play early after open reduction and internal fixation of clavicular fracture. Surprise, surprise the plate and screws came loose. Now he’ll be out for longer.

Melksham: unlikely to return this season after foot injury.

Jetta: should sit out the season and rest so he can return at full strength next year.

This season is officially over for MFC.

Prepare for next year.

Mate this season  has been over for some time just the club wouldnt admit it.

Time to head up to the snow Shushhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh----

9 hours ago, goodwindees said:

Out of that lot only Harmes and Petracca are must signs. Hibberd is just about finished and if Viney had a different surname he’d be up for trade. 

Different surname he might have struggled  to have been drafted

9 hours ago, DubDee said:

I reckon Petracca won’t have a break out 6 goal game. 

I reckon hogan will kick 7 and I’ll cry into my beer

Yep!!