Gawndy the Great

Why not send Clarry to HF and upset the balance of Lions midfield group? They’d be planning for Clarry so give them something that they may not be ready for. If Berry goes with him to the Forward line then someone has to come out of there. Where do they play? Just need a bit of magnet movement to create some confusion for the Lions

Yep it’s the one pick that unfortunately had a lasting effect. Sam is battling away in the VFL while Charlie and Harry are arguably the 2 best forwards in the comp.

You’d think so right. Just look at social media - there is a lot of negative sentiment amassing re AFL. VIC clubs vs Non VIC, Protected players / clubs, umpiring going to [censored]. The only thing the AFL have on their side is there no real competition from other sports.

So many firsts - there a straight up conspiracy if you ask me.

I have a feeling this year will be his last. There will be a massive reset this year I think and the next C and VC will be picked as part of that. Let Gawn concentrate on his twilight.

That it was a sling tackle seemed to escape everyone’s brain. Phenomenal - it’s a free kick if he hits his head or not right? So why all the commotion? Cam Rayner ran into a bloke head high and held his head to indicate contact to milk a free. Why isn’t anyone making a fuss about that? Why isn’t that fined? This was all led by the media - again bathing in Melbournes demise. It was so much better when we were winning so we could stick it back at em.

Nobody will leave Carlton right now unless they are pushed. The year is 1st genuine year of premiership window.

I think that was his later junior years. I swear i remember hearing his family was from Bendigo or Ballarat (cannot remember which one) and he moved to Sydney after his parents split. I cannot find anything online to back that up though. But nevertheless he was a Sydney Academy pick.

He can remain active and involved at Casey. Not sure why he is playing tbh, he is not helping in anyway.

I was thinking the same on both accounts, however one just has to look at Libba and the role he plays in a comparable kicking team at the Doggies. Oliver plays the extractor role perfectly; inside-to-outside player. Ideally he rarely needs to kick. When he was at his best, Oliver amassed a heap of CPs, clearances and initiating scoring chains. He was also very accountable defensively. Hawthorn would go to another level with Oliver performing near his best. As for GC (what is the 17 for btw?) i think Rowell has been a disappointment. He is a vgood player but not the beast he was all cracked up to be. He is still young so time will tell, but i think he suffered a lot at the hands of Dew. I also think they are missing one elite midfielder. They have Anderson (outside, winger), Graham (sub par), Flanders (HB) , Miller (average), Swallow (getting old). Plus what are GC going to do with Pick 7, 8, 20 ? They ahve plenty of youth already - they need a contingent of readymades. So there is a case to be made for Oliver >> Suns. Im sure you could make a case for Oliver going to any of the other 17 clubs to be honest, but not many have the draft, trade capital to get it done.

**WARNING If you are triggered by trading out Oliver, or general trade discussions while in season (as the thread is titled) please look away now or refrain from having a crack. This is pure speculation aimed at looking to improve our list. If we ended up with a scenario where a net result was something like : OUT: Oliver, Petty IN: LDU, Lukosius, improved Round 1 Pick Oliver >> GCS for Pick 7 (current) + Lukosius Petty + Our 1st Pick (Pick 10) >> Adelaide for Pick 4 (Contentious i know but even this feels like a bad deal for Adelaide) Pick 7 + F2 >> LDU These are not necessarily upgrades per se, but would give us a different look. An alternative scenario, focused more on rebuilding from draft would be something like: Oliver >> Hawks R1 (Pick 6) + F1 Petty + Our 1st Pick (Pick 10) >> Adelaide for Pick 4 This would give us Pick 4,6 this year and 2 first rounders in 2025 draft. Honestly this would be a ballsy call, but the one that id prefer. It will give us the top ups we need for the next decade and allow us another crack at the flag before the end of the decade. We could also look to target a bunch of FA's for key positions as we did with Lever and May.

Its also a mini rort. Errol Gulden was bought up in country victoria football. How does that then turn into Sydney academy player? You shouldn't be permitted to come in and swoop on players from anywhere in Australia and claim them as Academy players. Again if you are going to allow that, then make it that any junior talent can be scouted and added to any clubs academy from anywhere in Oz. Give all clubs 1 academy selection per each draft and be done with it.

I'm not against the idea of academy prospects for new and growing clubs. But after a decade in the comp, enough is enough. There should be no team with that advantage. Either allow next gen draft access for all clubs or none at all.

Andrew Brayshaw out of contract next year.

I suspect a myriad of things but it shouldn’t matter. The one thing every player needs to bring every week is 100% commitment.

Cause he has stuck fat with Oetty stinking up the whole joint this year. This is why selection integrity is crucial.

I thought this too. Zita on FoxFooty started the whole push. I think he’s a north supporter because he sounded a bit sulky after the game.

Let’s get it done. I think he is cooked and will not come close to his form from 2+ years ago. What makes me think this is BS is the Hawks are not the right side for him. They are kicking team and Oliver is not a cracking kick. Their first pick this year and F1 ought to get it done.

💯. I think there is a bit of fallacy around the Sydney and Geelongs of the world because I think they both have advantages that other teams do not. How long did it take Sydney to rebuild its list? Not long at all because almost half their best 22 are next gen players. And they also have the lure of the bigger salary cap. Geelong on the other hand have the benefit of being the country side town just outside the football capital and are able to attract the players that don’t like the lime light. Unfortunately with the academy here to stay these teams will continue to have that advantage. So we should stack up when we can and reload for the next era. JVR, Jeffo, Kalani White, Turner, Windsor, Kolt, Brown are the next crop so let’s compliment that list and maybe we can have another crack in 4-5 years before Trac and Oliver have to retire. Reloading now from where we are is dangerous and could do considerable damage.

I think Riv and Viney were the only significant positives from last night. Kolts first half for his 2nd game was also something to be happy about.

If he isn’t fit, then I would expect to see him starting well then fading. That isn’t the case as he is ineffective all game from the first whistle when he had a full tank. There are no more excuses for this team. You have to assess things at face value and the reality is, he is like half the team and is no longer invested like they once were. They lack hunger and the guts to play with the brutality we all expect. This is the cold reality. Positive, negative, Debbie Downer , what ever rocks your boat. You cannot deny this.

It’s complete BS the media choose to focus on Mays staging after what the umps dished up and how it changed the momentum of that game with two free kick goals in the first 5 mins of that quarter. If it was a Collingwood or Carlton, it’s all you’d hear about.

You can forgive 5m, but that was truly unforgivable.

Yep. Gonna be in a battle with GCS, WCE and Hawks for flags in 3-4 years time.

They do have the upper hand for sure. But trade value is trade value - you never really pay overs for someone. It’s more the contract. Anyway, history tells us that it’s not likely happen this year anyway.