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Seriously though, what is more likiley: A) Us, die hard melbourne supporters, over rate Hogan's value and/or Melbourne's power in this situation. B) A neutral Journo who studies all clubs, players and trades, AND whose livelihood depends on them being good at their job, being untruthful on purpose. BTW, i think Hogan was worth pick 6 & 7, or 6 and brayshaw/cerra.

But when has that happened with the Jesse Hogan situation? If Pavlic weighed in on the situation, sure i'd take it with a massive grain of salt. But no journo, Mclure or Morris included, are out to get Melbourne, neither is montagna.

Can we stop calling any journalist that has an opinion we disagree with a "Secret agent for XYZ club" or a "Melbourne hater". its just not true. These guys may be wrong, but there's no hidden agenda, take off the tin foil hats.

I say we keep Hogan, and hopefully next year Kennedy retires and we can have a bidding war between WC and Freo.

Most people think they will renege on that if the Neale trade happens Edit: thats also not the words Freo used, they were much more cryptic

really happy the boys at the dees supported jesse throughout this whole ordeal. If jones and co. had acted the way tex walker acted when Lever wanted to leave then we would be f'ed. But jesse can come back to the dees and we will wrap our arms around him. That's the culture of this club now, a culture we can be proud of.

The positive is that Collingwood cannot land Beams and May, hopefully they go for Beams as he has specifically stated he wants to go to collingwood. Then it's a one horse race for May, and GC lose much of it's bargaining power.

Brisbane - collingwood trade will take so long. Freo will wait to see what Brisbane get for Beams. This hogan deal will get done in the last minute of the trade period

Not bad, except i would just keep 6 and 19 if that deal went through. Only issue here is GC, i would think we would receive 2019 second rounder instead of pick 19. Remembering gold coast would get pick 2 or 3 next year if they made him sit out a year.

if you listened today, Barrett refused to give any air to the "failed medical rumour", or other rumours he had not heard from a reputable source. The only time they state their opinions in when they are guessing what pick a player is worth, and that were fans get angry.. but they are more than entitled to discuss what a player may be worth

agreed. and the big journo's, even Sam Mclure, have gained high powered positions by being good at their jobs.

traderadio just crash for anyone?

Lever. He's rated higher than May in AFL player ratings.

I am of the belief our top 20 pick themselves week in week out. We have amazing young and old leaders, and a coach that has the players hearts. I say our core group is very strong and will see us play finals for the next 4 years at least. Edit: i said 6 years, but that is probably too far into the future.

How about: Freo: Pick 5 & 6, 2019 2nd rounder For Dees: Hogan, 2019 1st rounder

I'm of the opinion that when you have a really strong core group, you are then in a position to take some risks with the last 2 spots on the list. If i was a club down the bottom of the list, or a club without strong leadership i would never want a troubled player. But look, you could well be right. It would really depend on Bennell's mindset, and whether or not has grown up, which we can never know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies Have a read of these dragon, you exhibit many of these deductive errors time and time again. Like i said previously, I don't know if Bennell or May or any player will work. At least i comprehend the limitations of the human mind, you believe that you can tell the future. For the record, i want May, but i think we can win a flag without him. You know this already, but you choose to change my words to better represent your argument. And that is your issue, you try to win arguments rather than have fruitful discussions.

I put forward points of view with the understanding that i may be wrong, and an understanding that nobody can actually know for sure if Bennell would work, or if May would work, or how playing 3 talls would work. I think you forget your opinions are not facts. (take a leaf out of @P-man's book, he/she knows how to have a discussion with someone of opposing opinions)

Fair enough, i guess we differ on that point. I just think with the leaders we have at the club now that he couldn't do any damage; Like i couldn't see a new draftee going off the rails with Bennell whilst the likes of Gawn, Jones, Oliver and Viney are around. Plus i think Bennell would walk into the club with his tail between his legs, rather than full of youthful cockiness. Of course, none of us actually know Harley or his current mind-state, intentions or values.

Both fair views. Let me say a couple of things however: 1) I can tell you first hand that many many many many AFL players use illicit drugs, and still play great footy (i know of over 3 brownlow medallists using drugs). Bennell was dumb enough to get caught on video, as did carlise. 2) He has had poor work ethic. He has just turned 26. Many people take longer to wake up to themselves and become adults, Ross Lyon obviously thought Bennell had turned that corner and deserved another shot. 3) Let's not brush over how good he could be. As i said he has just turned 26 (2/10/18), 26-29 is an AFL players best years generally. 4) If he is a bad egg he cannot ruin an entire football club. we will send him on his way as soon as he makes a mistake. I fully get Dees fans not wanting him, but i don't think its as clear cut a decision as some are suggesting.

Let's say there is a 10% chance that bennell gets back to his best, would that be worth giving him 1 year? At his best he could be our isaak smith. Personally i think we need this type of player more than a full back. I'm of the opinion that we have such a good core 20-23 players, that we have the ability to take a punt with 1 or 2 spots on our list each year.

I would love to take the punt on him. We make freo pay half of his already small contract, so as we don't end up losing cap space. He is prodigious talent obviously, 90+ goals in 70-something games, plus 26 brownlow votes. At his best, or 75% his best he is the perfect player for us, quick skilful winger. The thing i like about it is that we have the culture that can: a) potentially turn him around. We have Neville, probably the most respected indigenous leader in the AFL, and also we may have steven May, who is also indigenous and an AFL captain. The indigenous boys clearly share a close bond, and these two leaders are the best Bennell could possibly get. Furthermore, our other leaders of Jones, Viney, Lewis and Gawn have created a very good culture. b) If he does F up after we get him, our culture would not be damaged as we have too many good people in the club. We can just say "thank you for trying harley, head back home" as soon as he steps out of line. 100% worth the punt IMO, will cost nothing (picks or salary cap), with potential huge up side. + we have so many open spots on our list

freo trying to break the contract with Harley Bennell, which was signed in the last two months. this club is a ducking shambles

Point taken, i thought he was 27 turning 28. 26 turning 27 is more appetising

Pick 5 of a super draft for a semi-unproven good full back who is 28 years old is well overs.