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I would be concerned taking Freo's 2019 first rounder. With Hogan and Lobb, they have some real talent on their list and could make a huge jump up the ladder. Fyfe, Hogan, Lobb, Brayshaw, Cerra, both Hills, Walters, Sheridan, Wilson, Blakley, Langdon are all good/great players, plus some i don't know or may come out of no where to have a big 2019.

Of course they would. If he was even a 5% chance of going to freo they would happily try and give him a tour to get him over the line. Same as GWS giving Dusty a tour when he was on the fence. I actually think Jesse may be genuinely on the fence.. or maybe he's just waiting to get out of the country before the announcement is made

we have 2x third rounders, so one of them at most. But we may only need to give up a fourth or fifth rounder considering he has not played a single AFL game this year.

Sydney have 30 (629), 35(522), 66(80). AVB is probably worth pick 30 IMO, so he's worth 629. If we also give 36 (563), 46 (331) then they get 900 points plus a player they want. Potentially we give better picks with what we get throughout the trade period. Seems fair to me, i might be wearing red and blue coloured glasses however. If we somehow get Sydney to cough up pick 13, which i think is a chance if we make the deal sweet enough, we can do a lot: We could then offer GC pick 13 and our 2019 first rounder (with AFL permission) for May, which seems like a fair trade for GC. We then are not at the whim of Freo, and could hold out on trading Hogan, which would force their hand in trading us pick 5&6. Then we trade for KK using Kent, Tyson compo. In: May, KK, pick 5&6 Out: Hogan, Vanders, Kent, Tyson, 2019 first rounder, 2018 picks (round 2,3,4) This is a pipe dream, but a nice one.

Sydney have an academy player that is highly rated, and will thus want to trade their first rounder (pick 12/13). I would be happy if we traded our second round pick for their first rounder. We would probably have to downgrade some our picks we get for Tyson and Kent as well. But i think it would be a good result if AVB does go Best of pick 13 in recent years: Taylor Adam, Lachie Weller, Jack Riewoldt, Patty Crips, Daniel Talia, Crawford*, Brad Ebert, Brent Stanton, Tom Lynch (ADL), Bob Murphy, Shannon Hurn, Matthew Kennedy, Dal Santo.

Good trades increases the likelihood of good outcomes, however.

Got the tin-foil hat on i see

I pray we don't take it, but its a possible outcome

If TradeRadio was saying 3 first rounders for Hogan everyone would be singing its praises... lol

equal 2) we get a poor deal but take it so as we get May

If he stays for 2019, due to Freo and Melbourne not agreeing to a trade, then what happens? How does trading an un-contracted non-free agent work?

I am not arguing that he is a free agent... just saying why people may assume he is. People on demonland get so salty over the littlest things.

Probably because the way the story is being reported, i've heard trade radio say freo may hold off a year and then Hogan can walk from melbourne.

Is he not a restricted free agent at then end of 2019?

Freo offer pick 5. Melbourne apologise to Hogan and say we are happy to let you go but freo are low balling us. We have a crack at the flag with Hogan in 2019, telling him it's only one more year until he's a free agent. In the meantime, collingwood has no bargining chips for May, nor does Hawthorn, so May probably stays at GC for another year. At the end of 2019, Hogan might leave, or maybe we convinced him to stay. Further May becomes a free agent and there is 0 chance he stays at GC. So we can pick up May for free and have a chance at retaining Hogan. We also come out looking like the good guys, as freo are the ones not willing to pay his worth. Furthermore, Kennedy may retire so WC become a big player. We hold the chips here, for once. Hogan is not at odds with the club at all, and if he had to play one more year here, he would suck it up and even possibly enjoy it.

Maybe Pick 5 and 2 x second rounders for May, Hall and Kolo.

I haven't seen hall's name mentioned much here. I know north are reported as his team of choice, but i think he would fit in well at melbourne. His criticisms are that he is such an outside attacking player, and may not defend or contest hard enough. I feel like we have such a contested team that we may be able to absorb these downsides, similar to the way Sydney and West Coast were able to cover for Lewis Jetta's deficiencies in the contest/defensively.

We need to keep AVB desperately

Best 22 Depth Jetta Frost Hibbard Tall Defenders: King (6), Omac, Kolo Lever Salem Medium Defenders: Hunt, J.Smith, Wagner, Petty Gawn Oliver Harmes Ruck: Preuss Gus Viney Fritsch Inside Mids: Barlow, Maynard Outside Mids: B.Smith (5), Stretch, Baker, JKH Trac Weed Vanders Tall Fwd: T.Smith ANB Tmac Melksham Small Fwd: Garlett B: Jones, Lewis, Spargo, Hannan. This is my best 22 and depth, assuming we get Barlow and Kolo, and keep Vanders. (Also assuming we don't get May and go to the draft with pick 5 &6) If we lose Vanders, and don't get a mature inside mid then we are relying on Maynard to fill any injuries. No disrespect to the kid, but he hasn't shown much at AFL level yet. Re Petracca: i think he needs to be a forward now that Hogan is going, he adds a third marking option and some x-factor to our forward line. If not Barlow i think we still need some strong mids playing in our VFL that could come in if needed.

Wouldn't read too much into that, Lewis Jetta came second last one year, and he looks like one of the fastest players in the league during games. Half of the runners are probably hung over.

Worst part about the Mayne deal was that they paid him 400k+, we would pay barlow 100k.

We are all on the same page when it comes to our need for a speedy outside mid who uses the ball well. It looks like Gaff is not coming, and KK is apprently more of a back flanker. Is there any possibility of reinventing one of our players as an outside mid. Hannan - Tackles well, very fast, ball use and decision making pretty good. if his fitness is good enough, he could turn into a quality outside runner Fritsch - I think he may have played some games as a winger. I was surprised that we played tyson on the wing instead of fritsch in the prelim. A friend of mine suggested his fitness may not be good enough to run through the middle. If he has a big preseason, maybe he turns into a silky outsider. He's apparently very quick. Hunt - A long shot, but if he has a huge preseason, and comes on in leaps and bounds its not out of the realms of possibility. His poor ball use may be problematic. Garlett - The longest of long shots, but stranger things have happened. Would need to get his mental game right. But maybe he could play like lewis jetta.

I think we two mature aged players, from state leagues or other clubs, to fill in those back-up mid roles. I like Barlow, but there may be better options, especially in the state leagues.. another Tim Kelly would be nice

Pick 5, 6 and Hunt for pick 1?

I personally disagree, in the prelim we gave our defenders 0 chance by turning it over in literally the worst spots on the ground. We made it through to the prelim without our number 1 defender in lever. Plus Omac and Frost will continue to improve, i'm particularly optimistic that lever and the best of Omac/Frost can hold down the key positions. We got destroyed by hawkins that one game, but he was getting perfect delivery, kicking it over his head and from the boundary. I think our team structure/game plan and mental maturity is our area of most improvement. We still need to develop the true ruthless winning habits that the great sides have. I don't think May is the key to our success, i'd rather continue to secure this dynasty by going to the draft, we are in a position to compete for the next 5-8 years IMO.