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Seriously though, what is more likiley: A) Us, die hard melbourne supporters, over rate Hogan's value and/or Melbourne's power in this situation. B) A neutral Journo who studies all clubs, players and trades, AND whose livelihood depends on them being good at their job, being untruthful on purpose. BTW, i think Hogan was worth pick 6 & 7, or 6 and brayshaw/cerra.

But when has that happened with the Jesse Hogan situation? If Pavlic weighed in on the situation, sure i'd take it with a massive grain of salt. But no journo, Mclure or Morris included, are out to get Melbourne, neither is montagna.

Can we stop calling any journalist that has an opinion we disagree with a "Secret agent for XYZ club" or a "Melbourne hater". its just not true. These guys may be wrong, but there's no hidden agenda, take off the tin foil hats.

I say we keep Hogan, and hopefully next year Kennedy retires and we can have a bidding war between WC and Freo.

Most people think they will renege on that if the Neale trade happens Edit: thats also not the words Freo used, they were much more cryptic

really happy the boys at the dees supported jesse throughout this whole ordeal. If jones and co. had acted the way tex walker acted when Lever wanted to leave then we would be f'ed. But jesse can come back to the dees and we will wrap our arms around him. That's the culture of this club now, a culture we can be proud of.

The positive is that Collingwood cannot land Beams and May, hopefully they go for Beams as he has specifically stated he wants to go to collingwood. Then it's a one horse race for May, and GC lose much of it's bargaining power.

Brisbane - collingwood trade will take so long. Freo will wait to see what Brisbane get for Beams. This hogan deal will get done in the last minute of the trade period

Not bad, except i would just keep 6 and 19 if that deal went through. Only issue here is GC, i would think we would receive 2019 second rounder instead of pick 19. Remembering gold coast would get pick 2 or 3 next year if they made him sit out a year.

if you listened today, Barrett refused to give any air to the "failed medical rumour", or other rumours he had not heard from a reputable source. The only time they state their opinions in when they are guessing what pick a player is worth, and that were fans get angry.. but they are more than entitled to discuss what a player may be worth

agreed. and the big journo's, even Sam Mclure, have gained high powered positions by being good at their jobs.

I think he does probably play smaller, but that can change. One of his apparent attributes are his athleticism, so not sure where you getting the slow turn of foot from. According to articles and his bio's he is a really nice kick... it's meant to be his best attribute. This kid is good, GWS signed him for another 2 years, but they don't have the cap space. They are leaking players to stay within the cap and the rest of the league has a chance to benefit. If we can get him for a 4th or 5th round pick it would be a massive win. Only downside would be how much he is on, we wouldn't want him eating up too much of our cap space.

He is tall enough to become a key back, needs to get stronger. But is bigger than alex rance. Also we have 10 spots on our list. So we need to bring in player outside those 3 needs.

nice analysis

Yeah he's different, but the more options we have, the more likely we will find a combination that works. As far as i know, there is no other powerful key defender on the market besides May. I haven't watched him much, but from what i've read he is actually a good kick. Also being 22, he could be a project player, rather than an instant best 22.

92kg, 196cm, 22 years old. Fast, can play forward or back. Avaliable from GWS, was tipped to go to north however they landed pittard instead. A good option if we do not end up landing May.

traderadio just crash for anyone?

Lever. He's rated higher than May in AFL player ratings.

I am of the belief our top 20 pick themselves week in week out. We have amazing young and old leaders, and a coach that has the players hearts. I say our core group is very strong and will see us play finals for the next 4 years at least. Edit: i said 6 years, but that is probably too far into the future.

How about: Freo: Pick 5 & 6, 2019 2nd rounder For Dees: Hogan, 2019 1st rounder

I'm of the opinion that when you have a really strong core group, you are then in a position to take some risks with the last 2 spots on the list. If i was a club down the bottom of the list, or a club without strong leadership i would never want a troubled player. But look, you could well be right. It would really depend on Bennell's mindset, and whether or not has grown up, which we can never know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies Have a read of these dragon, you exhibit many of these deductive errors time and time again. Like i said previously, I don't know if Bennell or May or any player will work. At least i comprehend the limitations of the human mind, you believe that you can tell the future. For the record, i want May, but i think we can win a flag without him. You know this already, but you choose to change my words to better represent your argument. And that is your issue, you try to win arguments rather than have fruitful discussions.

I put forward points of view with the understanding that i may be wrong, and an understanding that nobody can actually know for sure if Bennell would work, or if May would work, or how playing 3 talls would work. I think you forget your opinions are not facts. (take a leaf out of @P-man's book, he/she knows how to have a discussion with someone of opposing opinions)

Fair enough, i guess we differ on that point. I just think with the leaders we have at the club now that he couldn't do any damage; Like i couldn't see a new draftee going off the rails with Bennell whilst the likes of Gawn, Jones, Oliver and Viney are around. Plus i think Bennell would walk into the club with his tail between his legs, rather than full of youthful cockiness. Of course, none of us actually know Harley or his current mind-state, intentions or values.

Both fair views. Let me say a couple of things however: 1) I can tell you first hand that many many many many AFL players use illicit drugs, and still play great footy (i know of over 3 brownlow medallists using drugs). Bennell was dumb enough to get caught on video, as did carlise. 2) He has had poor work ethic. He has just turned 26. Many people take longer to wake up to themselves and become adults, Ross Lyon obviously thought Bennell had turned that corner and deserved another shot. 3) Let's not brush over how good he could be. As i said he has just turned 26 (2/10/18), 26-29 is an AFL players best years generally. 4) If he is a bad egg he cannot ruin an entire football club. we will send him on his way as soon as he makes a mistake. I fully get Dees fans not wanting him, but i don't think its as clear cut a decision as some are suggesting.