Engorged Onion

Do you get ‘mongrel’ from the supermarket aisle! 💯

Seasons over ladies and gents, time to find a new forum to frequent 🙅‍♂️

I'm mostly interested in why people choose to dismiss this information as 'evidence' that we are genuine premiership contenders, and go with their emotional response on a week by week basis and contend that we are not a genuine team. Is it that the non believers see it as 19 relevant data points to fit a particular narrative? Statistics are cold emotionless bits of data, you get enough of these bits of data to form a coherent analysis of where we are at. The data (or is it data?) bodes well.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why-a-forgotten-forward-can-be-the-missing-piece-to-melbourne-s-premiership-puzzle-20230629-p5dkew.html

Nah, soft as butter I was, just like my football. 🤷‍♂️😆

I want all players in long sleeves! My favourite style of playing the windswept grounds around Portland…

I'll add to that, that the coaches press conferences (Goodwin's, whoevers) are often really measured (some would say boring, some would say not enough fire and brimstone, and needs more words like disgraceful and pathetic) rather than reactionary. I'd imagine that if you are a coach, who has been in the AFL industry and immersed in statistics for the best part of 20 years, unlike supporters who have different levels of access, you're going to relate to the typically evocative win/loss binary ratio quite differently to the average punter. Who knows, you might even talk about "connection" or "process" in these press conferences, ... without telling the punters, 'Well actually we're hitting a range of metrics that we are genuinely satisfied in, considering the specific context about today's (win/loss) this will hold us in good stead for a tilt at the finals. I won't go into what those internal measures are, but I want you to know that our system is built around this.

My take is that the reason the switch flicking doesn't happen is because there are only small margins against each team. Have a look at most competition wide stats. The media language is a team is 1st or 18th on any given particular stat, which is voiced as an absolute. Typical supporters would assume that anything drifting south of 8th position (ladder?) would be problematic, but in reality it's such fine margins of small percentages from 1st to 15th typically. Though I assume explaining this to the average supporter, doesn't drive clicks. Jump on to @WheeloRatings and flick through any stat at random for team averages... ie: Possessions - St Kilda average 390 a match in 1st - Port Adelaide 338 in 18th (that's a difference of 15%) and no real baring on ladder position Disposal Efficiency - 1st to 18th 5.3% difference Clangers - 1st to 16th 51-60.5 a match Clearances 1st to 18th 43-33 average a match Shots at Goal 1st to 16th 30-23 average a match Accuracy for Goal 1st 52% and 18th 42% (Carlton) - Average is 48% The more I have looked at the stats this year, rather than going on the 'eye' test and listening to non informative commentating, the more I realise how genuinely tight the competition is and how this is not discussed in the media, to the detriment of supporters experiences. I have dropped my expectations for the MFC to dominate teams, let alone win matches that my brain says we 'should' on paper.

But there are numerous games a year where this happens... so it is representative.

Holy moly - I have never thought of it like that. Amazing❤️

dropping or resting? I guess we will never know. I'd assume he was rested as his form didn't warrant being omitted for form.

I wonder what could be influencing the 26.6% accuracy for the Swans on their home deck? 😇

2022 v2? @adonski This is a great conversation propped up against a bar with a beer in the hand. Do we agree that we played around 8 weeks worth of football with significant injuries in 2022, to go out in straight sets? If we don't, then we haven't even completed the end of 2023 and you're already assuming we will be significantly injured, and we probably need to walk away from the bar... If you do agree, then do we also agree that injuries have a significant baring on output and capacity to win? Or is it a view of 'one solider in, one solider out', and it doesn't matter?

Can you outline that for me - I don’t really pay attention to their specifics. 👍

I agree that if you look it at like that then we are average, and there is far more nuance and context to make sense of that record is why it is. Any given year - injuries and carrying injuries into games are the biggest predictors of outcomes. ‘22 it’s been outlined that last 2/3 months we had significant structural issues due to injuries as well as multiple players playing injured. ‘23 we’ve also had some key injuries, blooding new players and we’re still 4th, If we can get Oliver back, and a few other things, such as refinement of gameplay and the training regime, I’d say we’re a greater likelihood of improving that record significantly. And who knows - optimistically/realistically snag another flag. Our game plan clearly stacks up against the sexy pie machine…

AF's post suggests that spending alone does not cause inflation, emphasising that the availability of real resources is the key factor. However, I presume you might argue that excessive spending can lead to an increase in demand for goods and services, which, if not matched by an increase in supply, can drive up prices and contribute to inflation. Perhaps believing that the relationship between spending and inflation is more direct? Understanding of fiscal, regulatory, and legislative powers...The original post implies that as long as the Commonwealth (government) understands its fiscal, regulatory, and legislative powers, there will be no inflation. Again, I assume you feel that that understanding these powers alone does not guarantee the absence of inflation. Taxation as a tool to manage resources:....Do you think that taxation primarily serves as a revenue source for the government. And that while taxation can influence resource allocation, its primary purpose is to generate funds for public spending rather than directly manage inflation or resource availability. I mean you could have explained yourself, rather than a brief statement and an attack.

Oh, I did try that also 😁

@WheeloRatings @binman I should update my reality - it has been almost a decade since I listened to SEN, mind you I put it on the other week and had around 4 minutes of ads blasting at me... and promptly turned it off. Seems though there is some good segments though? Thanks.

@titan_uranus - what radio station is this presented on?

*no gifs of Barry 🙃

I presumed there was a ban due to their combative style. Nonetheless, I hope they’re ok. I always imagined him as the hardest man on Demonland. Bit like Barry The Baptist on LS2SB

For those attending the match in Alice. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jun/27/freak-weather-soaks-australian-outback-dumping-months-of-rain-in-two-days

So you're not knocking ANB? 🤷‍♂️😁

Just on ANB... How did we experience the brilliant knock on - to Pickett in the 3rd when he kicked a goal, against Geelong - did we want ANB dropped then? I know as a species we have a evolutionary preference for looking at the negative, to fix problems, but if you are a supporter expecting games and players to be error free throughout a sport where a) you are physiologically depleted, b) cognitively depleted and c) coming up against opposition who desire to win as much as you do, and d) you yourself get upset at errors that 'look' as though they come at crucial moments, and then disregard errors (from both teams) that occur in Q1, Q2 and Q3, then I guess ANB always deserves to be dropped - and you're right @dazzledavey36 he won't be unless his form warrants it. Thank gawwwd the football department are open to players making errors, without them being crucified like Jesus. 2020 was often refrained with..."You can't win a premiership with players like ANB'