Engorged Onion

People have short memories Nasher... all the evidence from whatever relevant KPI, sense, mystic vibe you like to use- we ARE doing better than 2016 (and the decade that preceded it). Even premiership teams make errors. Love the passion - but like anyone in the industry (well, any industry actually) don't let your emotions cloud the accuracy of reality. It's as though the supporters who write this hyperbole think the coaches don't know what they're on about... supporters really need to move away from the notion of instant gratification...a season is a process for gawwwwds sake.

A good reality check - not happy with a loss, I still see progress. Get up for the next two rounds (collingwood will be a real bloody good test) and we are in with a sniff. I've seen enough progress this year (whats being the maximum loss by (4 goals??)) to be pretty content going forward. Not that I am inherently an optimistic person. Also, for those that can't stand Goodwin riffing about being in a developmental phase - what would you like him to say? "We made errors, at costly times, and its our role as coaching staff to consistently work on this from an intellectual, physical and strategic perspective, to ensure that we as a team don't do this?" - well, that's what they do day in day out anyway. I really feel some of us (understandably) want perfection out there on a moment to moment basis. One thing you can't fault throughout this season, has been the energy and the effort throughout games...

I think its far too simplistic to link the two. As disappointing as it is...Correlation is not causation.

As a reluctant armchair expert Brown to kick 5 Waite to kick 3.5 but no other contributors Our midfield to dominate in close and on the spread CP5 to also kick 5 Oliver to jag 3 +38 possesions Melbourne to win by 5 goals Brad to have a sook...

Is that so, those Richmond members you speak of, purchase toasters for the bathtub?

So nervous... puke flavoured cocoa pops

I think it's great that individuals of MFC keep getting exposure in the media - not so much about the individual or the article itself as a stand alone - but the more exposure MFC oriented topics are out there - the bigger the gain for commercial viability.

Usual Tiges ploy... Pretty certain I've read this book before.

Touché @Return to Glory

wrong thread...cant think which one any disparaging remarks re PMac should go into...

Best 3 games from a backman since Danny Hughes - the 1980's not the 2000's

What is peoples views on Stretch - why aint he in the squad?

McStay is currently second on the list there, behind someone north of the Murray. The talent you have on your list is fantastic I interpreted as Lever was one, McStay 2 and now there is a new #1 (not Mcstay) @beelzebub

Who would be the defender north of the Murray? I'm going with Himmleberg

I really appreciate you Demonlanders who do your research on other sites - it really gives a balanced view and helps us as supporters get (hopefully) reality checks on where we are and where we are headed.

Overheard: Hope is undiscovered disappointment.

Lemme double up. Innovation for innovations commercial gain sake. .. ugh.

Innovation for innovations commercial gain sake. .. ugh.

Yep drop him, did nuthin v Adelaide...just stinks up the place eh...

Agree 100%

I'm flying up on the Friday and returning on the Sunday - staying on the main street at the IBIS - cheap and Na$ty but will suffice for a bed. More than happy to catch up. @Rod Grinter Riot Squad has given the tip previously to spend some time around at some other places - I presume he is a local - so know what he's talking about!

That is a really really fair comment Adzman - Im sure he isn't the only player to suffer from ignorance from media (Nev being another just from MFC)

Demonland fever or inside source?

That's a good point - and I guess thats the reality of not been the best player in a particular position. I also get a feel that most of on Demonland feel we don't need a gun per se - and that being a Destination club with good 'kulcha' means you get B graders to fill specific roles, whilst we have A graders who have grown and matured organically in the MFC system.

always reminds me of this