titan_uranus

On-field issues I accept - he's not a good kick and has had hamstring issues, those are two strikes against him. IMO his positives as a player outweigh those negatives but each to their own. Off-field though, I don't agree with you at all. I've never heard a bad thing about Treloar's personality or cultural fit. I've never heard him described as selfish and he doesn't play that way (if Rendell suggests otherwise, I disagree). The interstate family thing could be difficult but he and his partner are committed to making it work and they wouldn't be the first people to maintain a long distance relationship, even with children. My gut tells me the falling out between Collingwood and Treloar is mainly of Collinwood's own doing, not Treloar's.

Bringing in some draftees, possibly upgrading Lockhart (if we offer him a third season on the rookie list he can walk out as a UFA) and of course Brown (and maybe another, who knows), means we must be odds on to let TMac go in addition to Preuss (with J Wagner the only senior list player to be delisted so far, we could lose all of Hannan, OMac, Jordon and Bedford and possibly still not have enough room). And that's before we lose senior list spots due to COVID-related shrinkage.

I'm OK with this, without being over the moon (but certainly not upset by it). A bit surprised it's a two-year deal, but if we get consistent performances closer to his late-season form then there's a future for him in our forward half.

Who's on the market in terms of key defensive depth who you'd want at the club? I'm not convinced McKernan is an upgrade on Brown as a back-up forward. He probably is as a back-up ruck, but I'm not convinced he's good enough to make it worthwhile. But, it will only be for a bargain basement salary so it won't be the end of the world if it happens.

Good news. Given he's out of contract and North have contributed to pushing him out, I would have thought pick 23 (which is now pick 25) is about right. There are no certainties in football and there's no certainty this is going to work for us, but I like the move and I think there's a strong chance this will make us a better side in 2021 and beyond.

I see this is now news from a more reputable source than Tony Sheahan! Yes - you have to wonder whether they need Ratugolea on their list if they take Hogan (and Preuss?).

The news is Hogan's going to be traded to GWS. They've already got Himmelberg, Finlayson and Riccardi. Adding Hogan surely means they don't need TMac (the more so if they want Preuss)?

So which one is it? FWIW, I'm all for getting a back-up ruck onto the list to replace Preuss but I'm not sure McKernan is the best option.

If he's chosen Geelong, I'll only be disappointed at that news if we end up failing to bring in anyone for the wing. If we get Phillips or anyone else, then it's all good. As to the Doctor: the issue I have is not that he passed on news that we were in the box seat for Smith, but that he passed on news that he'd already signed (the Doctor was adamant it had happened). If he's going to Geelong, clearly the Doctor's mail on Smith was incorrect. Does that mean the rest of his mail is also incorrect? Only time will tell.

I just posted this in another thread but Mitch Cleary said something similar during an AFL Exchange podcast yesterday: Richardson getting a larger role including head of football and head of coaching sort of stuff, Mahoney getting a different role involving list management. It may well be that a decision has been made in the last day or two (explaining why it's now leaking out) and a formal announcement may be imminent?

During yesterday's AFL Trade Radio segment "AFL Exchange", Mitch Cleary said that Alan Richardson will be taking on a part head of football role as well as head of coaching role, whilst Mahoney would be taking on a role "in the wider footy department", including list management.

Totally agree with giving Hore another year. I'm not sure we needed to keep Smith if we've now kept both Hibberd and Hore, but so be it. I'm less sure about Spargo at all, let alone for two. Whether it was one or two years, if we're re-contracting Spargo and we're considering players like Higgins and Hind, that must spell trouble for both Hunt and ANB. If we're only keeping one of Spargo, Hunt and ANB, I'm not convinced Spargo is the better pick over Hunt. Edit: I thought ANB was out of contract this year. Given he's not, that surely ratchets up the pressure on Hunt (Bedford surely will be delisted).

Can someone who knows the rules better than me help confirm how the salary cap works in a situation like this? If Collingwood trades Treloar to another club and pays $200,000 per year of the $900,000 per year he is owed (I'm making these numbers up), does the $200,000 count towards Collingwood's salary cap? And does the team that acquires him take a $900,000 or $700,000 hit to its salary cap?

For those who argue that Jones is taking the spot of someone better, I'd argue that's unlikely to be the case. I think it's fair to assume Jones' wage for 2021 won't be significant. The reality is if we didn't give that list spot and salary cap space to him, it would be going to a late pick in the draft or to the sort of player many on here term an "NQR". In other words, Jones isn't taking up the potential spot of a A-grade acquisition from a rival, or even from a high draft pick in the draft.

What you appear to be saying here is even clubs who are "destination clubs" are going to struggle. I'm really not following your complaint about us. Well then I'm not sure whether this is a fair point to raise. Do you think we're the only club which has an interest in some players who ultimately don't come to the club? You've already seen from @MadAsHell's post above that some of your gripes around so-called "stinker" trades don't really add up to a meaningful argument. But, again, do you think we're the only club which brings in players who ultimately struggle?

Rams, Titans, Bucs. Meanwhile the Jets play the Chiefs this week...watch out. How many wins do we think it will take to win the NFC East this year?

I saw the arguments both for and against signing him up for another year. I have no issues with us doing it and I hope Jones is as motivated as he's ever been to push himself, improve his deficiencies, lock himself into the 22 as early in 2021 as possible, and prove many of us wrong. The test will come if he gets early games but struggles, making it harder and harder for us not to let him get to 300. But I'm happy to back him in to get it done.

Is this actually confirmed anywhere? According to this article he's looking at "Melbourne-based rivals". Can't find anything which says he's nominated St Kilda?

St Kilda weren't a "destination club" until players showed up there last year. We've attracted Langdon, Tomlinson, May and Lever in the last three off-seasons with, potentially, some more players to come this year. I don't buy your argument.

That's a ridiculous way to analyse player capability. Brayshaw came 3rd in the Brownlow once, I suppose that makes him better than Treloar?

I love that page. It tells me we once had someone wear number 59, which I never knew.

This is an incredibly hurtful position to take. People deal with loss in different ways. People grieve in different ways. If you managed to move on from your father's death and get to a point where your career is going well, hats off to you. But the fact you were capable of that doesn't mean everyone else should be as well. A "just get over it" attitude like this is not helpful.

I agree with your assessment of Treloar but the price is huge and I'm not sure we can afford it. I think we need to spend what money we have retaining our current A-graders and improving other areas of the ground. The unknown I suppose is how badly Collingwood want his salary off their books. They're not short of cash. If they're utterly desperate, maybe they'll agree to pay a significant portion of his salary. I doubt it though, as I suspect there's another club out there that is prepared to put down significant cap space for Treloar (Carlton, if they hadn't already committed to Saad/Williams, would be one, surely).

They signed him up to a 4-year extension in July last year, at a time when he was already contracted through to the end of 2021. Neither the hamstrings nor the poor kicking are new developments, both were well-known in July 2019. Whether it's bad salary cap management (no excuse for that either, it's not like in July 2019 they didn't know that Moore, De Goey, Mihocek, Cox etc. were all out of contract this year) or something else, this is a remarkable situation for the Pies to be in. As I've said before, I highly rate Treloar, his dodgy kicking notwithstanding. He'll find a home if he ultimately has to leave, even with the money he's owed under his current contract.