Wiseblood

This is not directed at you Febes, as you only posted the article which is relevant to the topic, but that's rubbish from Jay Clark. It's based on a hunch he has, and that Freo might enquire. Bloody brilliant, Jay. Melbourne might enquire about Buddy, but where does that get you? There are no quotes, no clear links, nothing. Just Jay Clark trying to get stay relevant and failing miserably.

It would mean the end of the road for Pedersen, as promoting Keilty would mean we are pretty top heavy, especially with Oscar, Frost and Lever down back with Petty waiting in the wings. I'd give him another year on the rookie list and see what happens. As others have said, Bugg, McKenna and King would be the ones up for the chop. I think they've come to the end of the road with the club.

Preuss would be a terrific get, but would he want to play the same role he has currently at North Melbourne? With Hogan, Tom Mac and Weideman, plus Gawn, I can't see Preuss getting a regular run in the senior side, which is what he has had to put up with this year. Going by that, I highly doubt he would have any interest in just changing the VFL side he is playing for. There are other clubs where he would get far more game time than with us and you would think that's where he'll go.

Great player but no chance we would be in for him. We don't have the picks to even get close to satisfy what Freo would want if they decide they need to move him on before his contract is up.

Good get for the Saints. In reading the comments above, I don't think we really need Ratten. With Goodwin and the team getting us to 5th and with the footy we have been playing I think we are headed in the right direction. No need to change what has, to this point, been a very good combination.

I don't think they have at all. I mean, why would they? They have a happy, contracted and loyal player at their club - why would they feel the need to weigh up his market value? It seems counter productive to me. Their job is to find talent and keep talent on the list, not weigh up their market value in case someone decides to leave. That would come when he does indicate that he wants to leave. If that ever were to happen then that is the time when they look at his market value. Why bother doing it before hand? Market value changes constantly, from player injuries/performance to what other clubs have done on the market themselves. It's the same in any sport. At the end of the day, none of us actually know what is happening behind closed doors, and it isn't just with the trade period. That goes for team changes, training, discussions etc, something you and I have agreed upon many times. This is no different. But, to me, it makes far more sense that they wouldn't bother looking at the market value of their own players until they absolutely had to, either because a player wants out or because they want to move somebody on. Until then they would be concentrating on their development as a person and as a Melbourne player.

Hardly Moonie. As the above post suggests I'm not the only one who thinks debating the hypothetical value of a contracted, loyal player is a little ridiculous.

Will always love Bernie. Someone uploaded this years back but I've always loved it and, to me, sums up how quickly he fell in love with the club.

I didn't deny there weren't 'seeds'. My point is the 'seeds' are there because others are trying to connect dots that just aren't there. Clearly Jesse doesn't to go home, we don't want him to go and his manager has said the same thing. It's the media who go "Hogan is from WA, I reckon he might go home one day" that get these rumours going. You can start anything if you like. And you are the dill that said 'anything is possible'. I was just going by your inane rules as to why we should start a thread on anyone if 'anything is possible'. I applaud how well you are clutching to a sinking ship, but the Hogan going home stuff is quickly running out of steam. In fact, the only ones keeping it going are posters like you who refuse to concede.

The seeds are there because people decide they are there. Clearly the bloke loves being at the club and loves living in Melbourne. The seeds are planted by those who need something to write about. Outside of signing another deal, what else does he need to do? This 'anything is possible' stuff to justify you continuing to waffle on about it is rubbish. If anything is possible, then why not start a thread on every player leaving because, you know, anything is possible. It's tripe.

Absolutely deserved it. The position is for a ruckman and, in that role, Gawn was better than Grundy. It was the right decision.

I think that's right, although our pick won't be that high. After having a few players jump ship they are desperate to get into the Top 3 to nab one of the gun South Australian players so they might throw two of them up to get further up the draft. The word is Carlton might cough up their first pick for McGovern and Pick 7, but I'd be very, very surprised if they did that. They aren't that stupid... are they?

Watch Carlton panic and cough up a first rounder for him. I can't wait.

Absolute pass from me. If it was 2014 I'd look at it, but we have no need for an injury prone mid who has lost his prized asset, pace, due to so many injuries. I'm surprised the Saints didn't give him another year though after finally getting him fit. Richo musn't have liked what he saw and, if that's the case, then I fail to see why we would even consider taking a look at him.

Walk out on Adelaide, sign up with Carlton. Doesn't seem like a step up to me. The bloke looks alright as a third tall but he'll get more attention at the Visy Blues. They must be throwing some large coin at him.

Maybe we could ask Cale Morton back to the club as well??

Which Ablett? The one who had spent his time at Hawthorn on a wing? Can't really be classed as a key forward when traded as he wasn't playing there at Hawthorn. Fev was a disgrace and Carlton couldn't wait to get rid of him. Same with Barry Hall, who was traded twice. Kennedy went for Judd and wasn't as established, at the time, as Hogan is now. Outside of maybe Buddy, Templeton and Lockett, none of the above really fit Hogan. That's just three. Unless a club gives us something stupid, Hogan stays. Hypothesising about a club doing that seems so strange to me, yet here we are.

Thank God for that. He'd be no good to us sitting down.

Ha ha, forgot to add the 'example' bit at the top. Could you imagine the melt down if I started one? Wouldn't go down well.

Thought I'd make a new thread in case Clarry goes home. Here's how we could start it: So it seems, going by the 'Trade Hogan' thread, that it's okay for us to discuss hypothetical trades on players in case they want out of the club. You just never know when that may happen. We don't know what's going on inside their head, we don't know if they want a sea change and we can't believe a thing they say or that the club says. I mean, of course they'll be positive about the players, so don't listen to them at all. They don't know what they're talking about. Oliver may request a trade to Hawthorn, or Richmond, or Collingwood. Does anyone know who he supported as a kid? He may go there as well. I mean, this is based on nothing guys, but he may go one day. So it's good to have trade ideas and hypotheticals here that the club won't listen to just in case. So what do we want? 9 first rounders? I'd love to know so I can be at ease with his decision if he ever makes it. And don't tell me off, I'm allowed to discuss hyotheticals about required players who have given no indication of wanting out. It's might right. Cheers. Edit - forgot to add that this is just an example of what we should be doing for all players going by the logic of some in this thread. Bloke had given no indication of going home, yet we should be discussing hypotheticals. Madness.

Only if he absolutely wanted to go home and, even then, I'd take Cerra instead of Brayshaw if we could. Picks do nothing for me at the moment as we're a finals side so, unless the club had further deals in place, I wouldn't be too keen on it. Outside of that the club, Hogan himself etc have said he is super happy at the club and he doesn't want to go home. Go right ahead, OD. I don't know why you would waste your time on it, but hey, if it makes people happy, then discuss 'em until your hearts content.

I think the problem some have with this idea of trading Hogan is that they don't have a solution in place. So Freo just offer us two picks and Cerra? Does the club even want that deal? And if we get that deal, do we even want high picks at this stage or do they want to trade them on? Who is the player available that a club wants to give up so easily for those picks? There is no solution, it's pure hypothetical that is based on nothing. In fact, the thread was started by a shallow poster having a whinge. It wasn't even based on the go home factor which is what others are now trying to hang their hat on.

This is off topic, but we actually don't have many players from interstate anymore. Billy Stretch and Dean Kent are two that come to mind outside of Hogan, but the rest of our gun players are all Victorian. Smart recruiting I reckon. Anyway, I don't want this to devolve into anything more than it is. You guys want to talk about the hypothetical of Hogan going home, even though all indications point to the contrary, then go right ahead. You can also knock yourself out on that one as well. I'll stick by my opinion that it's a pointless conversation when there is zero indication that he wants to go back to WA and in doing so it's slightly disrespectful to the bloke and his value to our footy club. Cheers.

Can I start one on Oliver, then? You know, in case he one day requests a trade? Or do we start one on every interstate player on our list? I'm just going by your logic above, Moonie.

I posted that same thing yesterday, Moonie. I made it very clear that if he indicated that he wanted to go home then I'd expect the club to come up with a suitable trade to get it done. I'd be disappointed in him leaving, but at the same time we would at least get something in return. My point is that, outside of that, we shouldn't be considering trading him. We don't need to trade him - our list is strong, we have good coverage across the ground and we have a young list that is maturing together. Why we would trade him outside of a need to go home is what I don't understand. We don't need to do it.