Can those players eventually emulate Martin, Cotchin, J Riewoldt, Rance or Selwood, Ablett, Tom Hawkins, Dangerfield...... that's the worry for me, we just don't know yet but I can't see them reaching those lofty heights yet. A good discussion to have in 2 years though and with Vineys injury, he may not be the player we thought he'd become. Those opposition players stand up in big games consistently, currently we are flat track bullies.