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Hindsight? I've been saying it every time he plays an insignificant game so nah. Last week he was wrongly given another week. Yeh, coaches get things wrong. It's okay to admit that.

Tyson @Satyriconhome I guess those 17 others were super lucky hey? M8. No idea.

Give Frost a chance? He's been given a chance in almost every position possible on the football field. Unfortunately for him, (and fortunately for us watching) his weaknesses won't allow him to be a consistent AFL player.

It's funny this has been identified, even though he was struggling earlier in the year. It still points to a gaping hole and weakness that is our key position stocks. Had we not landed Lever, I wonder where we'd be sitting now. Why have we chosen against bringing in a mature aged key defender since Dunn left? It is truly baffling that posters think 'we're fine' without one. It's astounding. Many stats hint to this area of weakness. Give me a key defender that will give aggression at the contest and make a genuine impact whenever the ball is in their area. The rest should be developing at VFL. If we don't have a crack at May I'll be livid. It's fine to have faith in young players, (Oscar). But why are we just assuming that these guys are going to improve in a linear way every year? Circumstances always change. Whether it's injury, form or anything else. The club needs to do something about this. I want a mature aged defender. I want reliability. And I want those younger guys to develop at VFL level like the rest of our younger mids and forwards, (Weideman, Brayshaw) have done because of depth in those lines. There's zero accountability from the club on this. It's the same with our ruck stocks. One injury to Max and watch what happens.

You need to post more please.

"Oscar is fine and he isn't even close to be being a problem for the club at the moment". That's dismissive m8. I'm not sure why it doesn't compute for some, but I've made it fairly clear that it's not alllll Oscar's fault. I've highlighted one problem area, which is real. And which imo has some significant flow-on effects that supporters clearly can't see. I'm going to go to the effort to learn how to edit some clips of what I'm talking about and post them. Obviously there are a handful of problems at our club. The absence of an experienced and consistent key defender is a big issue.

There a few problem areas. Our lack of key position experience and size is one. Dismissing such a thing is ridiculous.

Agree with Sfebey. Oscar after the weekend is back to performing the way he was last year. Playing without physicality, urgency or smarts. It's just limbs everywhere at present and as much as our defensive system as a whole isn't working, you simply need to have strong defensive pillars at all times. Now before fanboys of his come at me like a buzzard, believing I'm 'blaming' him for our loss, just hold up. Look around the league. The best defensive units have super strong bodied key position defenders that are the glue for the rest of their defensive unit. Our keys at the moment without lever look again like school boys playing against men. It reminds me of when we were made to play Scully, Trengove, Morton etc all at once. It's clear as day we made an error by not bringing in a mature-aged key after giving Dunn the flick. We've loaded up with young keys and that's fine. But why not have a crack on Steven May if he's exploring his options? He is a top 5 key defender. Why do we need to wait? Who knows whether Oscar will actually come through. There's no reason why he can't continue to develop at Casey. Some of his efforts on the weekend were that of an 18 year old, underdeveloped and physically intimidated tall.

My OCD meter is through the roof right now.

I'm convinced one of two things need to change. Either Goody needs to change the way we defend as a zone, or he needs to find players who can execute that particular set up and play it well. Why am seeing Jetta on Membrey at times? Oscar McDonald on Gresham? Why? How does this happen? The same [censored] has been happening since he took over. It's a disgrace. I don't think posters fully understand how bad the saints are and have been this year. We just allowed them to kick a score of 119! Ha! Incredible.

Nah, don't need em. Ask Goody. I arksed him. He only plays inside mids on the wings like Tyson and Harmes and it's the same with half forwards. ANB and Petracca. Ball use, composure and speed is overrated. He thinks it, not me.

Tyson is pretty sweet on the wing though. Really gives us something we don't have on the wide expanses of the G. And Viney as a tagger is an ingenious move by Goody. Why wouldn't we take our best ball winner away from doing what he does best? Zone defence also. Goody is on a winner here. Saints just kicked a score of 119. Awesome viewing for free flowing footy fans. I for one love seeing opposition goals. And the instruction for our mids to onnnnllly kick to a contest where at LEAST three forwards including two keys are spoiling each other worked wonders today. They nailed it. I can only hope Bugg and Frost come in next week and both play back flank to really give Freo the best chance of kicking a hundred point plus score. Onwards and upwards Dees.

Pretty sure Roos said this when he first took over in 2014, which is why Daniel Cross was brought over. But cool to know Goodwin is saying that it's still not ingrained in our players 4 years later... On a serious note, that kind of a response is an absolute cop out. How obvious is it to see that if you play a super aggressive zone as a defensive unit, you're going to need to be an extremely skilled side through the midfield and forward line? We are the third easiest team to score against once the ball is inside 50. We just let St Kilda of 2018 kick a score of 119 against us. 119. Do something Goodwin.

Yeh look, with all due respect, you're his brother. So it's natural that you're going to say that. Petty had some decent moments but also looked overawed at times today. It doesn't help when Goodwin plays such a ludicrous defensive setup that plays to no individual's advantage. We constantly have mis-matches with opponents and with O-Mac being our only 'experienced' key back, it's becoming really problematic given his drop-off in form. He is back to what he was last year. Petty ain't the problem. And Dec coming in wouldn't magically change things. It's up to Goodwin now and whether or not he is ballsy enough to change some of what he 'thinks' is 'the way forward'. We've had the same [censored] issues for two years in regards to opposition scoring once inside 50. It's disgusting.

Trading up is naturally the preferred scenario in any draft, if feasible. And drafts are ALWAYS important. Rather than suggest ludicrous sideways trades of young potential stars in Hogan and Petracca like the posts above have entertained, I'd rather look at who would be considered 'excess' of what we already have and who could net us value. The most obvious of which to me would be Tyson, Frost, Bugg, Stretch, (romanticism aside) and Kent. List upgrades are always important and from a list needs point of view, we're in clear need of players who will bring a set of skills that we need. Adding youth is obviously always paramount for the sustained success of a club as well. Tyson (as an example) packaged with pick 31 could net us something of great value if a Carlton, Essendon or Gold Coast were to bite. Goodwin concerns me with his stubbornness. His unwaveringly commitment in playing certain players out of position completely stifles our ability to hit the scoreboard against strong opposition sides who apply pressure. Whether that's players inside mids like ANB or Tyson as half-forwards or on the wings. Hogan as a permanent key forward. Vince and Lewis in the same backline. Etc. I can see our potential, but to me our team balance is still a way off. We have this mantra of playing 'tough' Melbourne footy and have recruited players who can play that way. But clearly in doing so we've neglected a skill and composure component and have lost run with Hunt's injury and our abundance of inside type players who play in other areas of the ground doesn't help our cause.

Watts or Sylvia? Trac embraces the limelight and wants to be the best. He has a killer instinct, he just needs to be shown the way. It will happen, he is a much different make up to the other two ^

Whilst disappointed in his current form, I'm not too worried about his future. Trac only needs one enormous summer and talking to from Goody and Jones. He needs to become more professional in his prep pre season and he needs to listen more. It'll click and he's a little more immature than the rest of our core but it's only a matter of time. He has all the right ingredients.

Was average last night. Dixon didn't get a look in due to our immense pressure around the ball and the fact the game was played mainly in our forward half. I don't buy that he beat Dixon at all. His mistakes were extremely costly on the other hand and whilst he made a few standard spoils and one contested intercept mark, I thought he was quite poor generally.

Incredible resume, huge get.

Both Petracca and Brayshaw have had to face some adversity early on which has most obviously had an impact on their development as players. I don't really care for comparing them at this stage. Gus had his breakout couple of games for us this year and Trac has shown glimpses of what he's capable of. As long as we continue to nurture and educate these boys, they will both be big time contributors for the MFC. Trac missed all of his first year and Gus pretty much missed all of last year. It put them both back. The exciting thing in my eyes is that they're both so untapped along with some other players and we're still sitting 5th at the halfway point. As I've said a number of times, greater consistency in performance will come once these guys reach 80-100 games. And from then on it'll be a hell of a watch if we can keep our core together.

Playing him at half back would be worse than playing him wing. He simply can't play those positions due to his weaknesses. Unfortunately for him, they're not just football related. His physical attributes are also very underwhelming and add to his vanilla profile. He isn't quick, in fact he's slow. He lacks agility, power and he's not tall. The reasons he's not playing in our 22 is thus: A) He is behind all our inside mids in regards to impact and effectiveness at the coal face. B) He is extremely limited as a player which means he cannot be played in any other position. Fine for depth, but if we remain injury free I think a team like Carlton or St Kild could offer overs for him, (like we did early days for immediate results). And that would be a big win for us given Jason's strike rate from round 1-3 of the draft.

Maybe, maybe not. A second round pick and I'd do it in a heartbeat. Tyson hasn't developed any other area of his game and these days if you're not dominating at the coalface, you have to be able to offer the team something else. And given his deficiencies as a player, he can't offer us that.

It's genuinely unbelievable that I'm still hearing posters say he's best 22 when he's running around at Casey and we have no injuries. He was pushed out of the square when we got better quality into our club. And he was pushed off a wing when we saw how little he was giving the team in that role and Goody realised how much better we worked with some others playing there. He is extremely limited as a player and the Dom Tyson fan club need to realise that the MFC's fortunes are more important than Dom's. Nice guy, average player. Time to get over it and enjoy the fact that the team is playing great footy.

Can confirm that we wouldn't be interested in 'any' player. And no, I didn't ask Mahoney.